Disney pulls plug on Lake Nona Campus

[wdwchuck]

https://news.yahoo.com/disney-pulls-...184712890.html

This is not the best article about it but it is absolutely amazing what lengths they are going to promote their agenda.

[currence]

Why would they move employees to a state where the governor is (1) actively hostile to the company, and (2) especially hostile to the cohort of employees that were being asked to move?

https://www.themeparktribune.com/dis...stadium-model/

[Karin]

Why would they move employees to a state where the governor is (1) actively hostile to the company, and (2) especially hostile to the cohort of employees that were being asked to move?

https://www.themeparktribune.com/dis...stadium-model/

Agreed, currence.

[Dave1313]

Why would they move employees to a state where the governor is (1) actively hostile to the company, and (2) especially hostile to the cohort of employees that were being asked to move?

The bill being hostile is still extremely debatable, it would seem.

I read this story a few days ago and the last thoughts in the interview sum it up more nicely and elegantly than I have been able to express. I've quoted these final words below and linked the story.

(sorry mods if that is not allowed, I'm hoping a limited quote is acceptable, but I will understand if it is not for copyright reasons and needs to be removed out of caution (I certainly am not trying to open up MP to any copyright issues), but hopefully the link to the story itself can stay if the quote below needs to be deleted)

Hatch said she is plagued with guilt and regret witnessing the "butterfly effect" that decades of advocacy for gay and lesbian causes is having on children today.

"Had I known then what I know now, maybe I would have still wanted gay rights, but I think I would have fought harder to make sure that we didn't involve the children in adult things," she said. "Because it's horrifying."

I guess there may be some who would say that this lesbian woman is somehow anti-LGBTQ+ for having her views? I'm sure she has taken some heat for having an interview with Fox News, for the usual partisan reasons.

This is the sticking point in my mind. Any of us who have been adults for more than a few years most likely recall when there were certain subjects/questions when you were in grade school where the teacher's answer may have been "you will have to ask your parents about that". This very adult subject would easily be one of those types of questions/discussions.

This does not mean you can't respectfully acknowledge that sometimes little Susie or Tommy may have 2 daddies or 2 mommies, it just means the details are not to be discussed with very young kids.

Such topics were considered the domain of the parents up to a certain age, and it seemed for many years that right of parents to decide how to discuss such things with their children was respected. That is obviously no longer the case, as evidenced by another story (no link, sorry) where one Florida teacher who decided to declare that the rights of parents to decide what is appropriate for their young kids are simply "gone". Taking those parents' rights away was never brought up, it just "happened", hence the need for the bill some are opposed to in the first place.

Going from respecting leaving such discussions to parents for kids under 8 to the other extreme of declaring we are actively going to encourage discussion of the details of adult sexual identity issues with all kids that age is a problem.

[Dave1313]

All of that said, for those employees that DID already move (one would imagine it's a small set with the campus not yet built), Disney should fully fund their moving back for any who wish to do so. This should include compensating those employees if moving back to similar housing in CA to what they had before they moved is now more expensive.

Those who moved so early obviously fully embraced Disney's decision to move the business there, and voluntarily uprooted their lives due to Disney's announcement. Disney now stranding them due to their petty desire to stick it to DeSantis by canceling the facility would not be right.

[currence]

This does not mean you can't respectfully acknowledge that sometimes little Susie or Tommy may have 2 daddies or 2 mommies, it just means the details are not to be discussed with very young kids.

Except a teacher is currently under investigation for showing Strange World, which has a 4 star review on Common sense media and they list it as being appropriate for ages 8+. Under sex, romance, and nudity they report:

Ethan's married parents kiss and embrace several times throughout the movie in a brief but loving manner. Ethan expresses romantic interest in his crush, Diazo, on a few occasions but is only seen speaking to him once. In one quick shot he's shown standing next to him in a side hug.

Under what "Parents Need to know" they further note that "Teenage Ethan Clade (voiced by Jaboukie Young-White) is openly gay (although the word is never said) and has a crush on another boy." Right before that they point out "The story has positive messages about the environment, diplomatic relations, and honest communication between parents and children, whether they're teens or adults." The teacher reports that she obtained permission forms from all parents to show PG movies, and picked it because they had just finished a science unit about the environment.

So a story where a sub-plot that includes a gay crush (but never uses the word gay) can't be shown, but teachers are supposed to be okay acknowledging that not all families look alike? And a non-traditional family should feel comfortable sending their kids to public schools?

Story about teacher

In non Parental Rights in Education news, the state has also recently passed laws preventing individuals from using the bathroom that does not match the gender listed on their birth certificate while in government buildings, and prohibits public schools from using preferred pronouns. I will be curious to see how these laws stand up when a student has a 504 plan or IEP from another state that requires these types of accommodations.

But I agree with you - anyone who moved when Disney first told them to should be given the option to stay in Florida in a similar position (if they so desire) or relocated back to CA. I remember when Toyota moved to Texas and they had a relocation/pay structure set up that rewarded employees who not only moved to Texas but stayed there for at least 3 years (which if I recall was determined to be the magic timeframe for acclimating to a new culture. Since I don't know what they were offered to move, I don't know what would be reasonable for a move-back. The ones I feel the most sorry for are those who chose to quit rather than relocate, with the current downsizing/layoffs, I don't think that they are going to be offered their jobs back any time soon.

[wdwchuck]

It's obvious alot of people don't understand what is happening and one of the big things is that people who do tell us what is happening get canceled. So here are a few sites that explain the side that Disney has taken against the state of Florida.
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog
https://twitter.com/libsoftiktok
https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo
Some of this stuff might be uncomfortable but it is all true and most of it is them just posting videos of what the people are saying they are going to do. People are after our kids.

[olegc]

Why would they move employees to a state where the governor is (1) actively hostile to the company, and (2) especially hostile to the cohort of employees that were being asked to move?

https://www.themeparktribune.com/dis...stadium-model/

yup

[wdwchuck]

Why would they move employees to a state where the governor is (1) actively hostile to the company, and (2) especially hostile to the cohort of employees that were being asked to move?

https://www.themeparktribune.com/dis...stadium-model/

The balkanization that is taking place is awesome. I for one stand with protecting kids from groomers over money and big business.

[currence]

The balkanization that is taking place is awesome. I for one stand with protecting kids from groomers over money and big business.

Can you please clarify who/what a groomer is in your useage context?

I'm familiar with the term as defined by the Cambridge Dictionary

someone who grooms children (= becomes friends with them with the intention of trying to persuade them to have a sexual relationship):

And I'm also familiar with the definition for child grooming provided by Wikipedia.

Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child under the age of consent, and sometimes the child's family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse. Child grooming is also used to lure minor children into various illicit businesses such as child trafficking, child prostitution, cybersex trafficking, or the production of child pornography.

And while I'm asking questions, please also explain your use of balkanization?

Again from Wikipedia

Balkanization is the fragmentation of a larger region or state into smaller regions or states, which may be hostile or uncooperative with one another. It is usually caused by differences of ethnicity, culture, and religion and some other factors such as past grievances. The term is pejorative; when sponsored or encouraged by a sovereign third party, it has been used as an accusation against such third party nations. Controversially, the term is often used by voices for the status quo to underscore the dangers of acrimonious or runaway secessionism. Balkanization is a type of political fragmentation.

Perhaps if I understood your terms better I would understand your outrage.

I'm still trying to read the twitter feeds you referenced earlier, but it's hard to get past all of the hate.

[MidwayManiac]

The plan to move imagineering to Florida was ill conceived from the outset

Disney has a convenient scapegoat for backing out of their poor business decision in Desantis.
Those in the know realize this is much ado about nothing/ just Disney course correcting. It’s great fodder for the press who’s thirsty for Desantis’s downfall.

[wdwchuck]

Can you please clarify who/what a groomer is in your useage context?

I'm familiar with the term as defined by the Cambridge Dictionary

And I'm also familiar with the definition for child grooming provided by Wikipedia.

And while I'm asking questions, please also explain your use of balkanization?

Again from Wikipedia

Perhaps if I understood your terms better I would understand your outrage.

I'm still trying to read the twitter feeds you referenced earlier, but it's hard to get past all of the hate.

Hi Currence,
What is going on is people who think facts are hate are staying behind in their high tax, high crime, crap in the streets hell holes, and people who believe facts are facts are moving to live with other people who believe facts are facts. People who want to protect their children from groomers are moving to places like Florida because we have a governor that is taking a lot of heat for protecting children from predators. Matt Walsh, Chris Rufo and Libs of Tik Tok are heroes.

[wdwchuck]

The plan to move imagineering to Florida was ill conceived from the outset

Disney has a convenient scapegoat for backing out of their poor business decision in Desantis.
Those in the know realize this is much ado about nothing/ just Disney course correcting. It’s great fodder for the press who’s thirsty for Desantis’s downfall.

Interesting take Midway, and just another way for Disney to get rid of some of their higher priced talent.

[currence]

Hi Currence,
What is going on is people who think facts are hate are staying behind in their high tax, high crime, crap in the streets hell holes, and people who believe facts are facts are moving to live with other people who believe facts are facts. People who want to protect their children from groomers are moving to places like Florida because we have a governor that is taking a lot of heat for protecting children from predators. Matt Walsh, Chris Rufo and Libs of Tik Tok are heroes.

Okay, but that still doesn't answer what a groomer is? At least not in the frame work that you appear to be using it. And who/what is preying on children? I also don't understand "facts are hate"? But even more so, how does any of that apply to Disney?

[olegc]

Hi Currence,
What is going on is people who think facts are hate are staying behind in their high tax, high crime, crap in the streets hell holes, and people who believe facts are facts are moving to live with other people who believe facts are facts. People who want to protect their children from groomers are moving to places like Florida because we have a governor that is taking a lot of heat for protecting children from predators. Matt Walsh, Chris Rufo and Libs of Tik Tok are heroes.

In the word of MTG - are those "alternative facts"... Cmon. As Maniac said, it's business decision. Paint it whatever color you want - they decided not to spend money. Doesnt matter what state, what county, what side of politics you are on.

[wdwchuck]

Matt Walsh 1.8 million followers on Twitter
Libs of Tik Tok 2.1 million followers on Twitter
Christopher Rufo 515,000 followers.....
All saying basically the same thing, using the perverts own words to hang themselves. If you don't want to look at it that is fine. You are not alone. CarolinaKid where are you?

[currence]

In the word of MTG - are those "alternative facts"... Cmon. As Maniac said, it's business decision. Paint it whatever color you want - they decided not to spend money. Doesnt matter what state, what county, what side of politics you are on.

That I agree with. it was an unpopular decision to force them to move, followed by a bunch of potentially retaliatory actions against the company. I can't imagine that Disney saw much upside in forcing them to finish moving.

I did find it interesting that they dropped the announcement that they were cancelling the move the same date that they announced the Star Wars hotel closure. I'm curious which announcement they thought would distract from the other (assuming that it was a strategic decision to announce them both at the same time)

[olegc]

Matt Walsh 1.8 million followers on Twitter
Libs of Tik Tok 2.1 million followers on Twitter
Christopher Rufo 515,000 followers.....
All saying basically the same thing, using the perverts own words to hang themselves. If you don't want to look at it that is fine. You are not alone. CarolinaKid where are you?

Let's be clear. The policies of this board state that you need to stay on topic. If you want to talk about general stuff (like what's real information or who is a lesser person) that belongs in the General board. Take it there and comment to your hearts content on your direction. Keep it on the business of Disney here and what the news means to the company.

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[wdwchuck]

https://chipandco.com/walt-disney-co...k-drop-510381/
Go woke, go broke

[Karin]

I'm shutting this thread down for inappropriate comments towards fellow Members.

Keep it respectful of other folks' views. Using what are considered derogatory remarks towards others' with opposing views will not be tolerated.