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    Disney, Fight Florida anti LGBTQ+ changes

    By Todd Regan (AKA, "Dusty Sage") & posted on on another Disney fan group:

    .... [Disneyland Resort] parks are currently celebrating Womens History Month. A stage in Downtown Disney has a bright yellow banner exclaiming Reimagine Tomorrow and Celebrate Her Story.
    So, it would be hard to imagine that a company with such robust support for all of its customers and employees would actually be funding politicians who are actively trying to harm these very same people. And yet, thats what the Disney Company is doing. They are saying one thing and actively doing another.

    You may have heard that Florida has proposed what is being called a Dont say gay bill, and it looks like it could become state law. But what does that have to do with Disney? More than you might think as Disney has donated to every single sponsor and co-sponsor of this bigoted and hurtful legislation!!!

    What makes this all worse is that so many LGBTQ+ employees are being forced to move from their Disney jobs in safe and supportive California to this painfully hurtful environment in Florida OR LOSE THEIR JOBS! Disney leaders Bob Chapek and Josh DAmaro were quite vocal on political issues in California that kept the parks closed during a pandemic, hurting their profits. It ignited their passion to move as many jobs out of California as possible. The company is well into the process of moving almost all of the Parks, Experiences and Products division jobs out of California to a new development in Lake Nona Florida as we speak. Thousands of employees have already lost their jobs as a result. All to save some money on labor and get a tax break from Florida.

    Where does the company stand in all of this? Have they demanded their money back from the bigots who so clearly violate every principle Disney pretends to stand for these days? Has Bob Chapek stood up on his platform of power to call upon Florida to respect all people? NO!

    Instead, Disney has put out statements simply acknowledging the hurt, reiterating their policies, but not addressing the fact that they are enabling these hurtful actions through their donations. They claim that they give to both sides. Its pay for play. They are essentially bribing politicians to get a tax break. In criminal law, if you aid someone in a crime you implicate yourself as well. So doing something wrong just to make more money is still doing something wrong. Leaders of public companies often times get so wrapped up in making money for demanding (and often morally bankrupt) shareholders and board members, that they forget that they also have a duty to their customers AND employees as well!

    Disney is trying to claim that Bob Chapek doesnt comment on political issues. But that is simply hogwash. He trashed Californian publicly simply because they were trying to save lives, and yet he seems just fine donating millions to bigots in a state hed like a tax break from. He also just pulled his companys movies from Russia on political grounds (which we applaud). So the Florida decision is clearly his preference. He has directed the company to say that they support their gay and lesbian guests and employees, but then put money directly into the pockets of politicians who want to harm those very same people. AND, mind you, FORCE gay employees to move to Florida in the middle of this terrible time.

    Where is the compassion, Bob? Where is the outrage, Josh? Where are the demands that Florida do the right thing or youll move your jobs out of the state (as you did in California)?

    Here is the public comment Disney is willing to share, the same they gave to ABC News:
    We understand how important this issue is to our LGBTQ+ employees and many others. For nearly a century, Disney has been a unifying force that brings people together. We are determined that it remains a place where everyone is treated with dignity and respect. The biggest impact we can have in creating a more inclusive world is through the inspiring content we produce, the welcoming culture we create here, and the diverse community organizations we support, including those representing the LGBTQ+ community.

    If we are to take Disney at their word, and given the current situation and the precarious position so many Disney employees are in, we think its only right that Disney put its money where its mouth is and do the right thing: 1) Make a public statement rebuking Floridas hateful legislation. 2) Demand donations be returned from those supporting the bill. 3) Allow LGBTQ+ employees to remain in Californian and not force employees to move to Florida under this hostile environment. We believe the companys own HR policies can also be used to justify allowing employees to stay here anyway, and we encourage all of Disneys employees who feel uncomfortable moving to Florida to file HR complaints on the grounds that its a hostile environment.

    This is more than a political issue, its a moral one. Is Disney going to live by the principles and policies they claim guide them, or are they going to say all the right things in public, but then use their money to empower evil?

    Disney is a big company, it can take them a while to act, and I really thought they were working themselves toward doing the right thing. But they seem to be doubling down on doublespeak and deception, using empty words while stuffing the pockets of bigots. Keep that in mind as you read future statements from Disney that profess to care about the pain and suffering their employees are feeling. Because until Disney actually demands that money back, draws a line in the sand for Florida, and provides a safe alternative for their LGBTQ+ employees, Disney is just as much at fault as the hate-mongers in the Florida legislature they are so warmly embracing.

    Ill be closely watching the Disney shareholder meeting this week for any sign that a single board member had a spine, or a conscience. I suspect they are all driven solely by money and have no concern whatsoever about ethics or even the companys own written principles. But I hope Im wrong.

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    Everybody please read the bill. It is being promoted by pedophiles under the guise of homosexual rights. Read the bill, not the heated rhetoric people are saying about the bill.


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    The often outstanding Robert Niles of Theme Park Review discusses of Chapek's weak, audience-insulting comments about Disney's donations to DeSantis starting at about 2:30 :
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2F9V_CzVEc

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    4 more Disney employees picked up in child predator human trafficking sting...
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...dato-rcna20422
    Watch your kids....


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    It’s a bill designed to preclude k through 3rd graders from being exposed to issues of sexual / gender identity not limited to trans and cys gender identity. Traditional heterosexuality isn’t a topic for k-3 either, as it shouldn’t be and hasn’t been.
    The bill simply puts off this type of education until the children are at a more appropriate age. Who could possibly oppose that pray tell?

    That’s a rhetorical question no need to answer. If you’ve legitimately read and understand what’s in the bill and still oppose it then good on you, I guess. Miss me with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwayManiac View Post
    It’s a bill designed to preclude k through 3rd graders from being exposed to issues of sexual / gender identity not limited to trans and cys gender identity. Traditional heterosexuality isn’t a topic for k-3 either, as it shouldn’t be and hasn’t been.
    The bill simply puts off this type of education until the children are at a more appropriate age. Who could possibly oppose that pray tell?

    That’s a rhetorical question no need to answer. If you’ve legitimately read and understand what’s in the bill and still oppose it then good on you, I guess. Miss me with it.
    Hey Maniac, thank you for this. I reread what I wrote and it could have been taken that the crazies were in favor of the bill. It is all about not promoting any kind of sexuality on young kids. I don't know how Disney is going to survive this new era of wokeness. The majority are disgusted by it but the very, very vocal minority are trying to force it on big companies everywhere. If Disney continues to go down this hyper sexualized road, it is not going to be good for them.
    Kids need to be protected and kept safe. Pedophiles/Groomers need to be arrested and kept separate from society.
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    Mayhem in the Magic Kingdom: Disney Dont Say Gay Walkout Underlines Bob Chapeks Leadership Crisis
    By Brent Lang, Cynthia Littleton

    https://variety.com/2022/biz/feature...ay-1235212073/


    Disney CEO Bob Chapek is facing a crisis of confidence in his leadership that is fueling an atypical level of turmoil at the top of the worlds largest entertainment company.

    Though Chapeks current em*ployment contract, expiring next February, is expected to be renewed soon, according to sources, his tenure as CEO has been marked by upheaval since he was named to the job in February 2020. Some of the disruption has been far out of his control, such as a global pandemic. But Cha*peks own missteps reflect his tendency to keep counsel with a small group of senior executives rather than solicit wider opinions on key decisions.

    Chapek has had to deal with a series of catastrophes, notes Peter Newman, the head of NYUs Tisch School of the Arts MBA/MFA program, who observes that Chapek took over the company when COVID was upending the media and theme park businesses. But many of his wounds have also been self-inflicted. A lot of top-level people in Hollywood know how to be smooth and handle things with finesse, and he has not shown that he has that ability.

    Chapek may not be in trouble with Disneys board, but hes in the doghouse with the companys 200,000-plus employees around the world. Disneys bungled response to Floridas effort to pass the Dont Say Gay bill, which would severely restrict public school teachers ability to address LGBTQ-related subjects in the classroom, has sparked a revolt among many employees. The anger over the companys failure to stand up to the latest politically motivated effort to demonize the LGBTQ community also brought to the surface resentment over the companys lack of non-heterosexual-centered characters and storylines.

    All of this was on display outside Disney studio gates in Burbank on March 22 when a small group of protesters gathered to coincide with the planned employee walkout here and in Florida. The sight of protesters outside Disney has only served to make Hollywood nostalgic for Chapeks predecessor, Bob Iger, who has taken on the nickname Saint Bob in the nearly three months since he retired from his role as Disney executive chairman at the end of last year.

    Chapek was already grappling with tough comparisons to Iger, who set the standard as an entertainment CEO for being polished in public, daring in business, artistically engaging with talent and a visionary on the future of media. Iger was also unafraid to take positions on social and political issues he believed in, whereas Chapek initially chose to stay mum on Floridas Dont Say Gay bill, which backfired badly inside Disney.

    Chapek sought to quell the uprising over the Florida bill by apologizing (I let you down, he told employees on March 11) and announcing the company would pause donations to politicians in Florida.

    This past weekend, CNBC published a detailed report on the turbulence inside the Magic Kingdom and the frayed relationship between Chapek and Iger, which only served to make many inside and outside Disney feel wistful for the way that Iger was always seen as the steady hand at the helm.

    NYUs Newman notes that under Chapek, Disney allowed a spat with Scarlett Johansson over the actors compensation for Black Widow to erupt into a lawsuit in a messy way that did little to endear him to Hollywoods talent community.

    Some of the issues, experts say, may have to do with the fact that Chapek came up through Disneys home entertainment and consumer products divisions before transitioning to run the companys theme parks. Those are major profit centers, but they are not the most public-facing parts of the company, nor are they creative-driven.

    Chapek rose up through the ranks as an operations guy and an outstanding one at that, says Gene Del Vecchio, adjunct professor of marketing at the USC Marshall School of Business. But when hes had to put out fires as CEO, hes stumbled on the political aspects of the job.

    For now, Disney insiders see no credible scenario where Chapek is ousted as CEO anytime soon. The complexity of running the entertainment giant would be daunting for any outsider, which is one of the reasons Chapek got the CEO nod after a yearslong bake-off with other top execs.

    Moreover, Disneys board of directors is full of fellow C-suite executives from public companies such as General Motors CEO Mary Barra and Lululemon chief Calvin McDonald who have weathered their own PR crises and scandals. Buoyed by the surprisingly strong earnings in the final quarter of 2021 (Disneys fiscal Q1) that Disney delivered in February, Chapeks stock remains high in the boardroom.

    But the board also cant ignore forever internal morale issues and concerns that Disneys stature may have diminished in the creative community.

    If Chapek is granted more time, he will need to start finding a part of the portfolio to reimagine in a way that cements his legacy. Michael Eisner, who ran Disney from 1984 to 2005, was credited with revitalizing its animation studio. Iger bet big on megabucks acquisitions of Pixar, Marvel, Lucasfilm and 21st Century Fox that gave the company a formidable arsenal of intellectual property, and then pushed Disney to reorganize its entire media business to compete with Netflix as a streaming giant.

    So how can Chapek make his presence felt?

    The question remains: Is Bob Chapek a visionary, who can articulate a path forward for Disney that is big and bold, or is he a caretaker, who manages what he inherits well but cant determine whats the next big thing? says Del Vecchio. That has yet to be determined.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwayManiac View Post
    It’s a bill designed to preclude k through 3rd graders from being exposed to issues of sexual / gender identity not limited to trans and cys gender identity. Traditional heterosexuality isn’t a topic for k-3 either, as it shouldn’t be and hasn’t been.
    The bill simply puts off this type of education until the children are at a more appropriate age. Who could possibly oppose that pray tell?

    That’s a rhetorical question no need to answer. If you’ve legitimately read and understand what’s in the bill and still oppose it then good on you, I guess. Miss me with it.
    The problem that I have with this bill, is that it doesn't adequately define "classroom instruction." Now, that definition may be elsewhere in the Florida Ed Codes, and I haven't gone looking for it, but I think that there is a distinction between "teachable moments" and "classroom instruction" that I don't believe is adequately addressed on the face of the bill. I have no problem with banning "instruction" in K-3, and making it "age appropriate" thereafter, but especially in the younger grades kids ask questions based on their life experiences and those questions should be answered in a respectful manner. If a kid in class has parents who are part of the LGBTQ community, and another kid asks the teacher why "Heather has two mommies" the answer can be as simple as "not all families look exactly alike." But it should be answered. But then, I'm old enough to remember when that was THE controversial LGBTQ picture book.

    My kid went to preschool with a boy who liked to wear dresses. And when they went on preschool field trips and strangers referred to him using female pronouns, the other kids thought it was funny because they knew he was a boy. And as far as I know, he never asked to be called a girl or use female pronouns - he was just a boy who liked dresses. At 3 & 4, all of the kids were super accepting. To the best of my knowledge, there was never a "lesson" about sexual or gender identity, there didn't need to be. We've lost touch with those kids, but I've often wondered if this was a phase that he has now outgrown, or the start of her gender-identity journey.

    Quote Originally Posted by jcruise86 View Post
    Mayhem in the Magic Kingdom: Disney ‘Don’t Say Gay’ Walkout Underlines Bob Chapek’s Leadership Crisis
    Disney CEO Bob Chapek is facing a crisis of confidence in his leadership that is fueling an atypical level of turmoil at the top of the world’s largest entertainment company.

    ...“Chapek has had to deal with a series of catastrophes,” notes Peter Newman, the head of NYU’s Tisch School of the Arts’ MBA/MFA program, who observes that Chapek took over the company when COVID was upending the media and theme park businesses. “But many of his wounds have also been self-inflicted. A lot of top-level people in Hollywood know how to be smooth and handle things with finesse, and he has not shown that he has that ability.”
    ...
    Chapek was already grappling with tough comparisons to Iger, who set the standard as an entertainment CEO for being polished in public, daring in business, artistically engaging with talent and a visionary on the future of media. Iger was also unafraid to take positions on social and political issues he believed in, whereas Chapek initially chose to stay mum on Florida’s Don’t Say Gay bill, which backfired badly inside Disney.
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    Some of the issues, experts say, may have to do with the fact that Chapek came up through Disney’s home entertainment and consumer products divisions before transitioning to run the company’s theme parks. Those are major profit centers, but they are not the most public-facing parts of the company, nor are they creative-driven.

    “Chapek rose up through the ranks as an operations guy and an outstanding one at that,” says Gene Del Vecchio, adjunct professor of marketing at the USC Marshall School of Business. “But when he’s had to put out fires as CEO, he’s stumbled on the political aspects of the job.”
    Chapek was brought in to be the CEO when Iger saw the writing on the wall regarding COVID and chose to step down. I'm sure there is more to it then that, there usually is, but based on the timing the Iger/Chapek transition was announced on 2/25/20; at that time Shangai and Hong Kong Disney were already closed, and Tokyo followed three days after the announcement, on 2/28/20. While shutdowns hadn't hit the US/Europe yet, they were on the horizon, and Disney probably saw them more than most companied because of the ties to Asia. His stepping down was one of the first clues I had as to how bad COVID would become, because I saw it as a decision to leave on a high note rather than try to weather the pending storm.

    I hope that Chapek can find his footing, but until he develops the PR savvy of Iger or others, I liked him better when he was keeping his head down and not going on an apology tour.

    Companies give money to politicians all the time. Those politicians do not 100% vote the way the companies/employees of the company might like. But in a way, that's the way that it is supposed to be - with money giving access, not votes. So theoretically, they should be doubling down on their donations so that they can schedule meetings to tell the politicians why they are wrong, while also backing the people running against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by currence View Post
    I hope that Chapek can find his footing, but until he develops the PR savvy of Iger or others, I liked him better when he was keeping his head down and not going on an apology tour.
    This I think is where Chapek's style, for an entertainment company, is severely lacking. He definitely is not PR savvy. Iger (and eisner before him to a point) knew how to address issues in public. What to say, how to say it, and come off as a very genuine, heartfelt person who wasnt necessarily reading from a script (even though he may have been). I think its because Iger's background was TV that he had that public skill. Chapek comes from the product/widget side of the business. He's never really been involved in true entertainment for a majority of his career. I think any Entertainment Company needs someone who is publicly savvy and already knows what , and what not, to say in certain situations. Im sure Chapek is excellent at what he used to do and commands extensive knowledge of the Disney business. But the CEO position at a company like Disney is as much a political position (office politics) as it is business only. You cant simply have a someone say "he's a good business man" and expect him to govern a company over HR issues, personnel, cultural shifts, etc. Its an entirely different animal.

    Frankly I dont think Chapek is long for the position. By that I mean maybe in a couple of years he might find something new - and for now the Board of Directors is going to have to tell him what they want the Disney Company to say and look like. Of course - if Chapek bristles at this, or the Board says "just keep the dividends coming", then it will be a long road for the entire company - and the consumers who buy and enjoy their product.
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    If this is the straw that breaks the camel’s back and terminates Chapek, the ends justify the means.

    There are numerous reasons to sh!t can Chapek. This isn’t one of them, but whatever.

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    It has been devasting to me as more and more of the Disney executives have been revealed as gay and transgender activists. Promoting deviant and disgusting ideologies at the highest levels of the company.
    https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo
    I know it started with Eisner and Iger but now it has been revealed that the whole organization has been corrupted.
    This has nothing to do with Walt's vision. It is a sick, perverted Frankfurt School/Communist version of human behavior.
    Absolutely horrible. I feel an incredible sense of loss. They have destroyed and are destroying one of the very best things on Earth.


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    As you see an institution that you admired and considered to be strong in family values strongly taking this stand, I really hope you will take a moment to look more closely and consider the possibility that you are on the morally wrong side of this debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wdwchuck View Post
    It has been devasting to me as more and more of the Disney executives have been revealed as gay and transgender activists. Promoting deviant and disgusting ideologies at the highest levels of the company.
    https://twitter.com/realchrisrufo
    I know it started with Eisner and Iger but now it has been revealed that the whole organization has been corrupted.
    This has nothing to do with Walt's vision. It is a sick, perverted Frankfurt School/Communist version of human behavior.
    Absolutely horrible. I feel an incredible sense of loss. They have destroyed and are destroying one of the very best things on Earth.
    Do you absolutely know how many gay people worked for Disney when Walt was alive? I dont - but Im sure from understanding the history of how people had to keep their lifestyle private that not many knew - yet its most likely they worked closely with Walt AND shared his vision of entertainment. Thats another question - What do you see as Walt's vision? Im curious because as I understand it - from a generalist view - it was to entertain and educate the public for all people to enjoy. I never saw anything with a limitation clause. All I'm saying is this - you probably had a strong positive opinion about what Disney delivered prior to all of this making headlines - and now this event and information (its just really making things public that were private) has changed your mind? Even though the delivery of the content and entertainment for the public has not really changed across channels of delivery? I mean, shoot, I could say that Touchstone pictures delivered a bunch of films with lots of violence in them - and I dont think that was right or in Walt's vision. But I never heard anyone complaining loudly that it changed their mind on the core of the company. And what if this wasnt about LGBTQ+ issues but immigrant, or Black or Brown, or maybe with a certain religion in the country. Would that mean you'd approach it the same?

    if you feel strongly enough to cut ties - then I guess you must do what you must do. I dont think you have the right, though, of claiming to others that it's wrong to enjoy the content and experiences that are delivered by the company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wdwchuck View Post
    It has been devasting to me as more and more of the Disney executives have been revealed as gay and transgender activists. Promoting deviant and disgusting ideologies at the highest levels of the company. ....
    Absolutely horrible. I feel an incredible sense of loss. They have destroyed and are destroying one of the very best things on Earth
    .
    Haven't you known any kind and wonderful gay people?
    There are few things as disgusting as bigotry.

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    Haven't you known any kind and wonderful gay people?
    There are few things as disgusting as bigotry.
    Do you mean like this one (no need to answer, I'm guessing not): https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...stance-florida

    But since he is being level headed and has solid comprehension of what this bill is actually about, I'm sure he will be discredited by the vocal "activists". (Hint, it's got nothing to do with bigotry - it's got to do with "kids this age are not just adults in small bodies".)

    I'm not sure they can follow the normal playbook and call him some sort of a hateful bigot or homophobe though, since he is gay himself.

    Other gay or transgender media personalities/commentators/public figures who seem to have a rational view of this bill and how wrong the opposition to it is: Tammy Bruce and Caitlyn Jenner. Both have been in interviews or discussion panels the last few days where they indicate they believe the bill is totally correct and the false flag opposition to it that claims it is anti gay or anti trans in any way is incorrect.

    Then on the Disney level, there is this: https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics...woke-in-the-us

    Why would Disney want to operate in such places? Oh, money... I see. So ultra-woke, far-left, remove parental rights as it pertains to their own young kids here in the US, but turn the other way and pretend real anti-gay/trans/etc policies are not happening in places where you'd like to tap a market you don't already have access to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcruise86 View Post
    Haven't you known any kind and wonderful gay people?
    There are few things as disgusting as bigotry.
    It’s quite a giant leap based on what wdwc posted to imply he doesn’t know wonderful gay people. Or that he’s a bigot. In fact those are impossible leaps for the rational among us.

    There is a push by an incredibly loud and, albeit, incredibly small minority of Floridians who with this bill feel a sense of loss now that it’s codified that talking to 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 year olds about their genitalia and sexual identity isn’t allowed. I’m old enough to remember when people who approached small children about such topics were “perverts” and their actions were indictable. How we got to where it’s 180 degrees the opposite is baffling to say the least.

    Anyway, the Disney zoom call or whatever from last week where they touted making the characters and parks more LGBTQ+ was a rebuttal to the Florida law being debated. I read wdwc’s post as saying it’s not Disney’s place to make sexual identity an issue your 5 year old is forced to take notice of and it’s a shame it’s come to this.

    Ad hominem attacks implying bigotry should be beneath you.
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    Thank you Midway Maniac for your common sense rebuttal. It is much more difficult to articulate facts and data than just call somebody names. And I understand that most people have not done a deep dive on this stuff like I have over the last twenty years.
    From the homosexual predator pedophiles in the Catholic Church to the hpp's in schools and the Boy Scouts. Remember when the Boy Scouts were sued because they didn't want homosexual Scoutmasters and then soon after they had to allow them they started to get sued for Scoutmasters who were raping and molesting young boys. Now the Boy Scouts are basically done. Not to mention many of the old mainline Protestant religions. I have never said all homosexuals are pedophiles. Not every homosexual is a Harvey Milk.
    I have even seen employees of Disney who are homosexual say that this bill is needed and actually should be expanded to include even more kids and more grades. And I even saw more WDW employees get arrested recently for predatory behavior.


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    Well that escalated quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwayManiac View Post
    https://youtu.be/9u33bkEYweY


    Well that escalated quickly.
    The question is will the reality of the huge tax bill each Florida resident will get reach media and the public before their final vote. The Gov. Is making points for his presidential campaign but at what cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by olegc View Post
    The question is will the reality of the huge tax bill each Florida resident will get reach media and the public before their final vote. The Gov. Is making points for his presidential campaign but at what cost?

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    It is an interesting political grenade at the moment - isn't it? They are apparently planning to do away with 6 special districts, presumably so that it doesn't look (quite as blatant) that they are targeting Disney. But in doing away with the special district, they are required to absorb the already issued bonds, so by that measure they are punishing Disney by giving them free money? And then the surrounding counties will have obligations to provide fire/police/etc that Reedy Creek currently provides or contracts for. Yes, they may be able to be taxed/assessed extra for that privilege, but possibly not as much as the proponents might think. And Disney will then have to comply with state land use regulations, which could make obtaining permits for future construction more difficult, but since a lot of tourists only come when there is something new to discovery, blocking future construction or making it a lot more difficult could also backfire.

    It does make me wonder if DeSantis would be lobbying for this if WDW had been closed as long as DL was. I think (hope) that Anaheim realized the value of a Disneyland tourist to the local economy. I don't think that DeSantis has had a similar wake-up call.

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    Quote Originally Posted by currence View Post
    It is an interesting political grenade at the moment - isn't it? They are apparently planning to do away with 6 special districts, presumably so that it doesn't look (quite as blatant) that they are targeting Disney. But in doing away with the special district, they are required to absorb the already issued bonds, so by that measure they are punishing Disney by giving them free money? And then the surrounding counties will have obligations to provide fire/police/etc that Reedy Creek currently provides or contracts for. Yes, they may be able to be taxed/assessed extra for that privilege, but possibly not as much as the proponents might think. And Disney will then have to comply with state land use regulations, which could make obtaining permits for future construction more difficult, but since a lot of tourists only come when there is something new to discovery, blocking future construction or making it a lot more difficult could also backfire.

    It does make me wonder if DeSantis would be lobbying for this if WDW had been closed as long as DL was. I think (hope) that Anaheim realized the value of a Disneyland tourist to the local economy. I don't think that DeSantis has had a similar wake-up call.
    The sponsor of the bill said something to the effect of "Disney is a guest in our state. They need to realize that". All of this "woke" fighting has blinded a lot of residents and fans of Desantis that a poison pill is coming. I also read that this may be stretched out until Desantis may start campaigning for President. Then all of a sudden new districts may be created.

    I laughed a little last night at this scenario - Disney gets hit with added taxes, raises their prices EVEN MORE to cover the costs, then all of a sudden the same politicians come out and claim Disney is gouging consumers. It would be funny to see the chairman of WDC come out and say "you cant have it both ways". Trevor Noah last night made a great point - the GOP in Florida is now liberal - demanding restrictions and regulations on business (that they don't like). Funny times.
    "[Disneyland] has that thing - the imagination, and the feeling of happy excitement - I knew when I was a kid." - Walt Disney

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