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Berry Princess
06-20-2001, 10:17 AM
http://www.salon.com/ent/music/feature/2001/06/18/disney_ravers/index.html

Now I thought I would share this with those that care to read this. What this is about is a group of kids that are ravers that think they should be allowed to have a rave in Disneyland. This group picks a day and tries to gather as many other ravers that they can to join them in Disneyland in hopes of showing Disneyland that they just want to show they are about "peace, unity, etc.." But in this same article there are only 3 that showed at the time. The head of the whole thing was nowhere to be found and they called around for others to join them. They also called around to try to score some x. The article also has how it is easy to sneak drugs in to DL. The guy that wrote this also made statements that were totally untrue and funny. Such as they blend in with tourist and locals that go to DL. Which they don't and I can point them all out if I see them. Then the guy tried to say the way they dressed was becoming fashionable by others and that is why they blend in. That is not true and those baggy pants and skater shoes have been worn by many for years now. When I was in jr high they were wearing baggy pants. That was late 80s and they were gangbangers. LOL I think it is very lame that they even bother with this who thing since Disneyland would never allow a rave to be held there. Plus these ravers thing that if the can get one to be held they will be able to bring whatever in with them (drugs) and not be searched cause they can't do that. Well they need to think again. With something like that they would search them and probably have drug sniffing dogs too. LOL Otherwise I could see all the lawuits from something like this at Disneyland. But it was very amusing to read. Gave me a good laugh:D

Lacrosse Boy
06-20-2001, 11:00 AM
Why this sounds like the Yuppies all over again!

In case you don't know about the Yuppies, they were mentioned in David Koenig's first book: Mouse Tales. I won't go into detail about it, but basically the Yuppies thought the same thing, and started a riot AT DISNEYLAND! :eek: :confused: :p :mad:

JeffG
06-20-2001, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by mvshs2001
Why this sounds like the Yuppies all over again!

In case you don't know about the Yuppies, they were mentioned in David Koenig's first book: Mouse Tales. I won't go into detail about it, but basically the Yuppies thought the same thing, and started a riot AT DISNEYLAND! :eek: :confused: :p :mad:


I think you actually mean the "Yippies", although the idea of a Yuppie riot is rather amusing...

-Jeff

AVP
06-20-2001, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by JeffG

I think you actually mean the "Yippies", although the idea of a Yuppie riot is rather amusing...

-Jeff

Now, Jeff - you know we've been planning a Yuppie and Dink riot for some time now. We just can't decide on a location. Buffy wants to make it a tailgate party, but you know that's just because she wants to show off that new Mercedes SUV she bought. And Biff wants to have it at Golden Vine, but the corkage fees are just too expensive. And no one can agree on a protest t-shirt. You know... maybe we can get a custom-designed Escada frock made for the occasion....

Honestly, what's a girl to do. We may have to rip up our Platinum Amex cards in protest instead - it doesn't look like anyone is willing to cancel their tee time to come to it anyway!

:D

Berry Princess
06-20-2001, 11:32 AM
I do remember reading about that in Mousetales. LOL Of course the idea of Yuppies rioting is VERY amusing! I wouldn't want to miss that. :)

And another funny thing was that I was glancing at their message boards to see where I could find the info on them doing on of there "meetings" at DL to tell them how lame they are to even try what they are doing but couldn't find it. I did come across an old on that said how they were "given permission by Disneyland" to hold there get together/meeting there. LOL I doubt they asked Disneyland anything and I don't see them telling a bunch of lame "ravers" to come on in for a meeting of the lame and bring the drugs or try to score while waiting for others. LOL They are very funny people thou. They do add to the entertainment of others around them.

TecTalker2K
06-20-2001, 11:42 AM
Yippies??? You mean.. Hippies? God.. has it been that long? Michael Eisner.. now he was probably a yuppie.

Alex S.
06-20-2001, 11:43 AM
I'm going to have some comments on that story in tomorrow's Reporter's Notebook, but just want to say that I've seen these kids in the park a few times.

Unless you consider strange clothes disruptive, they have never been anything less than quiet and considerate of the other guests. I'm not saying I support the idea of a free rave in Disneyland.

rob
06-20-2001, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by AVP


And no one can agree on a protest t-shirt.
:D

Gad! No! Protest polo shirt, pleeze!

Berry Princess
06-20-2001, 12:38 PM
I don't care if they are in the park since we all have the right to be as long as we are not causing a problem. There are times that those groups are a pain thou. I know its not just those groups. Its groups of teens that are problems and some of the ones that are in their early 20s. I had a problem with a group of them a couple of weeks ago in Mickey's house of all places. They are hanging out in there and in the way. One girl was a you know what cause she saw what I was doing and struted over to were my 3 yr old son was standing and turned to me and asked "where you going to take a picture?" in a VERY snotty voice. It was obvious what was happening so it was stupid of her to even go over where we were. I told her "duh" and called her a not so nice name since that is what she was (sorry couldn't help. I know it was very undisney of me..lol) and took my son's pic and left that room. I told CM about what happened and how they are in the way of people that want to look around the house and take pics and stuff and are doing it on purpose. CM said he was going to go check it out and get rid of them but I doubt he did unless others complained. There was this problem with teens in like 97 when I went and it was bad cause they were drunk and high and causing major problems and a CM had said they were trying to clean them out of there but were having a hard time catching them. It looks like the problem is coming back again cause it wasn't that bad I've been there last few years each time. What a shame. Its one thing if they are there not causing a problem and just having fun but when they get to this point they need to go. And as for a rave...that is just stupid. Like I said, it would be lawsuit after lawsuit cause of how stupid alot of them are and that would be really bad for Disney. I don't know which one thought about having it at Disneyland and trying to get one there but they obviously didn't think before speaking about this one. Raves and Disney do NOT mix!

And the teens I had the problem with were not ravers but I have ran into some of the raver ones that were a problem. Which actually isn't cool for the ones that aren't causing problems cause it makes it seem to some like that is what all those people are like.

JeffG
06-20-2001, 01:49 PM
Originally posted by TecTalker2K
Yippies??? You mean.. Hippies?

No, actually "Yippies" is correct. While "hippies" was kind of a generic term for rebellous youth in the 60s and early 70s, the "Yippies" were a specific, more-organized group from the same period that were mainly focused around the writings of Abbe Hoffman. They were the ones that had the organized protest at Disneyland.

-Jeff

adriennek
06-20-2001, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by rob


Gad! No! Protest polo shirt, pleeze!

OH LORDIE!!!!! I'm laughing so hard at this and there's only one, MAYBE two other board members who would be able to appreciate why!!!!!!!!

Ok, well, you know, if the Yuppies rioted, Disneyland could merchandise their own polos for it and I'm sure that there would be rioters who would buy them....

Adrienne K ;)

TecTalker2K
06-20-2001, 03:08 PM
Originally posted by JeffG


the "Yippies" were a specific, more-organized group from the same period that were mainly focused around the writings of Abbe Hoffman.
-Jeff

You know.. I do remembr the Yippees but were they actually the followers of Hoffman? I thought they were a Southern California commune that followed the writings of Gene Autry.

Morrigoon
06-20-2001, 08:28 PM
Yuppie Riot... what a great theme party idea, hahaha!

I'll only come if there's valet parking for my Benz and Bunny Bixler and I can finally finish our ping pong tournament (You know, THE ping pong tournament! - It was ghastly, SIMPLY GHASTLY!)

(wow I'm old...)

About the ravers... as with any large group of teens, they are disruptive. They operate on the basis of majority rule (them), without consideration for minority rights (everyone else around them). This is not exclusive to the ravers, of course. Back before the smoking ban, Matterhorn way was full of teens, about 1/6 of whom were disruptive. (yes that's an arbitrary number I pulled out of thin air from observation).

What is unusual on raver days, however, is the number of "hypothermia" calls security and first aid get. In the middle of summer, on a raver day, there were 3 cases! I think we all know it wasn't hypothermia! I believe also that you know what it WAS. It's THAT element that Disney and many of its patrons do not want to see inside the park.

This sounds silly, but didn't the park seem a lot more peaceful when it had a dress code?

Sure, it meant I, as a small child, could not wear a tank top, and it meant that people with blue hair had to wear a hat. But something about dress codes tends to either keep people on their better beavior, or discourage them from coming at all. A little old fashioned, yes. But it seemed to work.

Just a thought $0.02

oregonzooron
06-20-2001, 09:01 PM
Oh, is THAT why grandma always wore a hat?!?:D

Berry Princess
06-21-2001, 08:31 AM
Morrigoon you do have a good point about the dress code. I'm surprised they don't still cause the pants alot of them wear hangs and drags on the ground and its something that could get caught on a ride and they would end up hurt. Of course it would be their fault more then anything (IMO) but it would be Disney too for letting them in there wearing those clothes. Alot of places are lettting dress codes ago nowadays. Which I don't understand cause some of these clothes are just problems (and in more way then one).

When the ravers end up with "hypothermia" Disney should just have security escort them out of the park and tell them they are not welcome back again since they know why they are like they are. Otherwise something worse s going to happen one day...and it won't be good. If they think they aren't being watched by security then they are very wrong cause if you are going to be sitting somewhere in that place for almost the whole day or the whole day then they are obviously going to keep an eye on that group. I know it would probably be hard to ban them from the park but if they keep coming back after being kicked out and keep with the "hypothermia" then they should ban those from the park. Its probably a bit extreme but if it saves them money on lawsuits at some point its better for them and those visiting Disneyland at the time. JMO

80S ERA
06-21-2001, 10:30 AM
I know what you mean Berryprincess - about the ravers and teen groups.

It wasn't too long ago when I was in there shoes? My friends and I thought we "owned" every place we went to, especially theme parks. One time we were about 50+ deep at magic mountain and VERY disruptive and loud. We were all seniors in high school and we didn't give a darn about anyone else.

But as a grown-up now, I have very little patience and get very irritated in the presence of them, even though I could relate. But I guess its karma...

In my opinion, rowdy groups are better off in park like Six flags or Knotts - not at a family park like Disneyland. Last time I was at Six Flags, it was all rowdy teens from different gangs and they all ended up fighting each other. I do remember, however a large security presence at the main entrance. A few teens were patted down, purses & bags searched, and a few groups were even denied entrance! But I guess they're used to that sort of thing.

Berry Princess
06-21-2001, 11:15 AM
80s era I think the reason that groups like the rave ones go to Disneyland has to do with more the drugs and doing them in Disneyland. Six Flags and Knots really aren't the type of places they would go around on certain kinds of drugs. When I was a teen I never went with big groups of friends (the biggest was like 6 of us unless you count the 9th grade school trip to DL..lol). When I lived closer to Universal Studios and had a AP for there we would see the teens there too. Just not like DL is. They were just annoying ones at Universal that were constantly there. The same group of exact same people. Wasn't a big group but its like they had nothing better to do with their lives cause they were like groupies for the beetlejuice show (folders of pics of the people for it, etc...). I don't care for Six Flags but know alot about the gang presence in that place from my sister always going and what has been on the news. They are right for searching like they do and turning away those that should be. I think all the parks would be wise to do this (especially when school is out). They wouldn't have the problems that accure if they did. I don't think DL needs to do the searching as much as Six Flags does but I do think they should turn certain ones away and kick them out when they need to. Take the APs away that mommy and daddy keep buying them. Tell them they are banned and are not to be caught back here again. If they did these things it would be a much happy place most days. Plus I think a lot less would be stolen from stores and rides. And the bad ones give the ones doing nothing wrong a bad name which isn't far to those. If DL doesn't start to do something now it will get worse when it comes to the teens and ravers. I know from seeing it, it isn't pleasant to deal with at all.

TecTalker2K
06-21-2001, 11:37 AM
I went through the Cande Ravers messages and their choice of parks comes down to economics. If they can afford Disneyland, that is where they will go,, if it is Knott's or MM... they go there. DCA presently would be the choice. One thing about reading their posts.. they just seem like normal teens.

Lacrosse Boy
06-21-2001, 01:00 PM
I am glad that I can bring laughter to people's lives (although my humor is usually intentional)! Yuppie riot! :p
Usually at school, my teachers don't appreciate my humor because I get the class laughing too much. However, that does get my popular with all of the kids.:) On my report card one of my teachers said: Torin socializes too much in class. He should still tell jokes . . . out of class.:eek:

Morrigoon
06-21-2001, 11:04 PM
A dress code that discourages wild hair and baggy pants would probably be discouraging enough to them that routine pat downs of guests would be unecessary. It's silly and old fashioned, but darned if it doesn't discourage wild teens from wanting to be there! Also, it would help cut down on the number of people wearing shirts with offensive words/graphics. You can probably imagine the way a guest, already inside the park, reacts when a CM has to ask them to turn their shirt inside out - it's not pretty. And having a dress code *at the gate* sets a precedent for what goes on inside. It'd seem like a more uniformly enforced rule, rather than one random CM being a "pain" to a guest. (is this making sense or am I rambling too much?)

I used to get mad at the dress code because I couldn't wear tank tops into the park (and I was like 6 or 7 at the time), but as an adult I see that it's not about the clothes (much), it's about how people behave when they're asked/allowed to dress a certain way.

I sympathize with the teens, after all, I was once loud and disruptive too (now I'm just loud ;) ). But I do lose my patience with them and their behaviour now that I'm mature enough to understand how it affects the other guests.

Boy, do I sound like a prig or what!

Berry Princess
06-22-2001, 09:45 AM
I sympathize with the teens, after all, I was once loud and disruptive too (now I'm just loud ). But I do lose my patience with them and their behaviour now that I'm mature enough to understand how it affects the other guests.

I notice a difference in how the teens are nowadays compared to how things were when I was a teen. I'm 27 yrs old. My sister who is 4 yrs younger is when I started noticing the change in how teens were acting. When she hit high school it was different from the teens I hung out with and didn't hang out with even and how I was. They started getting louder and thinking more that they owned whatever cause alot of them were basicly given whatever they wanted with no questions asked and allowed to do whatever. And I notice how they are still this way and it is getting worse. They believe they can do whatever and get away with it. And I see it almost every day. I live in an apartment complex (if you can call it a complex. lol). We live in the front apart and there are 2 upstairs aparts. and one other downstairs right behind ours. We have the walk way to the back aparts and to the alley way both gated. Of course they aren't locked but the other apart complexes don't have their walk ways gated but yet we end up with them coming thru here and even sitting out in the patio area behind are place and in front of the place behind us. They think they can just do whatever they want back there even thou they are told to go away and not come back. They have no respect for anyone. When I was a teen we had respect for people and should others respect. I do see differences in things. And my MIL and husband both work for the high school district in the city I'm in and they see it to. I do notice thou the lack of alot of things with teens nowadays and its not one group of teens either. Its all different kinds of them.

I feel bad for any CM that has to deal with them and tell them to turn a shirt inside out or whatever cause the teen I'm sure is going to give attitude and tell them some not so nice things cause they don't respect anyone and feel they can do whatever they please. And I didn't know they actually asked anyone to turn their shirt inside out if it has certain things on it. They should do it of course but it should be done at the main gate.


A dress code that discourages wild hair and baggy pants would probably be discouraging enough to them that routine pat downs of guests would be unecessary. It's silly and old fashioned, but darned if it doesn't discourage wild teens from wanting to be there! Also, it would help cut down on the number of people wearing shirts with offensive words/graphics.

I understand what you are saying. I think it would help out with things. Otherwise they should be allowed to pat down whatever guests they feel are a risk of something. It would be for the safety of others visiting. I'm sure just the dress code would discourage those from coming in..at least dressed the way some do. I can imagine a guest there with their family and seeing some of these people and the shirts that have not so nice words and such on them. Its suppose to be a family oriented place and you expect that when you go there. Plus alot of them open their mouths and all that comes out is bad words and nothing more. And I have noticed alot them are like pigs. They throw their trash anywhere and everywhere they want. Another way of showing lack of respect. Sad but true.

TecTalker2K
06-22-2001, 11:46 AM
The only comfort that we can take in all this is that we all get our just rewards. When they are thirty, there will be teenagers annoying the hell out of them.

Funny... someone metioned that they thought they owned the place.. How about Senior Citizens? They can be worse.

Morrigoon
06-22-2001, 10:06 PM
This is just a theory (so don't crucify me if you disagree),
Maybe the "owning the world" complex comes from all the feel-good no-consequences junk they've been running through the school system the past couple decades. When I was little, we sang schoolyard songs about committing violence against our teachers, but none would ever have DREAMED of committing such atrocities. On the milder end of this, we have kids who believe they can disrupt an orderly, happy place like Disneyland, curse in front of smaller children, and never suffer any consequences for their actions. (Because there's only so much "discouraging" Disney can do without getting sued by SOMEBODY). With kids sheltered from consequences on all sides, and a society of people who blame ANYONE but themselves for their actions, should we really be surprised that kids feel themselves invincible?

(steps down off soap box)

Dreamstaker
06-22-2001, 10:40 PM
Children learn what they live.

The number one problem (IMO) is the lack of time parents spend with their children.

However, there are many teenagers and pre teens who are very respectful and polite. And you can not tell who they are buy how they look. I have seen a guy who would scare me in an alley help an elderly lady off a ride, and catch up with his friends and on the other side I have seen two angelic looking 13 year-old girls curse and push there way through a crowd of people with tiny children.

(and I won't go into the parents I have seen who come unglued over silly things).

I am not in favor of a dress code, but I am in favor of kicking people out who are disruptive or a danger to themselves and others.

Morrigoon
06-22-2001, 11:23 PM
Like I said, the dress code is less about what people actually wear, as it is about the kind of people who will respect a dress code. It's a behavior thing.