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Alonzo_Hawk
06-16-2001, 09:11 AM
Well, I guess I'll be the First to start the Sign up for the Rally I plan to hold on July 17th in front of the Main Gate to call attention to Disneylands plight

Who will speak out with me?http://disneylandsource.com/mainstreetusa/Sprite_40.jpg

Napsto
06-16-2001, 09:17 AM
that pic looks wierd.

JeffG
06-16-2001, 09:46 AM
If you really do want to do a protest (which I think is a pretty silly idea, frankly...), you definitely should >not< do it on Disney property unless your goal is to quickly get arrested.

-Jeff

Napsto
06-16-2001, 09:49 AM
yea, you will get the boot!

Rok
06-16-2001, 01:53 PM
I've got a better way to protest. On my trip this week to Disneyland I won't ride on Rocket Rods, The Submarines or the Matterhorn. That'll get um where it hurts!

Rok ;)

Alonzo_Hawk
06-16-2001, 02:06 PM
In another Post somewhere, someone said that Mouseplaneteers relly don't care about Disneyland and what Happens to it.

Sorry guys and Gals, The only way to get Michaels attention is with Media Coverage at the Main Gate. So the Police might escort you off property but Hopefully not before the TV News Media has it's field day.

Setting up a Save Disneyland Website is a good Start but lets not discount getting off our Duffs and Doing something in Person.

Bad Show for a Disneylander First timer?? Maybe so, But it's no worse than the Bad Show they'll see for Years to come.

Agreed???

Napsto
06-16-2001, 02:16 PM
you could always let the dogs out.

JeffG
06-16-2001, 03:20 PM
Do you really believe you would get any kind of media coverage, beyond possibly a small "weird news of the day" article or two, for something like this?

While the current problems at Disneyland may seem to be of great significance to the park's most serious fans, it just isn't something that is likely to capture the public's interest. For one thing, there are still so many more things right with Disneyland than there are wrong that the general public wouldn't be likely to see protesters as being anything more than a bunch of kooks.

If you really want to see the problems at the park addressed, the best bet is to remain focused on calling attention to specific issues in a dignified manner. I do believe that sites like Al's "Disneyland Blues" section can make a difference by calling attention to visible issues that need to be addressed. Well thought out articles articulating the problems (such as David Koenig's writing about the condition of the Tiki Room) as well as carefully written, business-like letters sent to Disney and their corporate sponsors/partners can also have an impact.

Trying to do massive protests or other similar public displays are going to be viewed as nothing more than weird, fringe-like activities. Basically, you aren't going to get the reaction that you want. Disney certainly isn't going to respond in a remotely positive way.

-Jeff

Alonzo_Hawk
06-16-2001, 07:13 PM
Well, if no one is willing to do anything about the Plight of Disneyland chnces are3 it will only get worse.

Shame on you for giving up .http://intercotwest.com/common/imgs/news/2001/06/12/061201.jpg

AgentLaRue
06-16-2001, 08:30 PM
I wish you all luck, but does anyone really believe that "Citizens demand better paint at theme park" is going to make the evening news?

Maybe I'm wrong here, but you best hope there isn't a protest taking place somewhere else in the city that is dealing with an issue that has some import. Sure, you love the park and want it to be the best it can, but taking a step back, it really is just a theme park. A great one, yes, and the best, but how good the paint is at a theme park really isn't what I'm looking for when I read the paper.

How about spending the time and energy painting the house of an elderly person who can't do it herself? Now that I will join you for.

Matterhorn Fan
06-17-2001, 05:25 AM
Protests, in my opinion, should only be used when other avenues of effecting a change have failed. That is, if you've filled in your complaint forms at City Hall multiple times for everything you think is wrong with the park, written educated letters to all of the sponsors of the attractions that need work, written educated letters to company officials about things you are disappointed with, submitted editorials for local newspapers, let your annual pass run out, and quit buying admission to the parks and spending money on Disney property, then, if those things get you no response from the company, but get the public calling you on the phone saying "how can I help you?," then you have a genuine opportunity to do something a little more drastic, with the possibility of it actually accomplishing something.

If you do rally, that's up to you. Just please don't "shame" the others for "giving up" just because they have a different way of dealing with things that concern them. The Mouseplanet community has not given up, nor will they. Maybe we're just not the rallying type.

hsierra
06-17-2001, 08:49 AM
Perhaps a better way to voice concerns would be to start a group that required it's members to purchase stock in disney. I dont know how stocks work, but I would think that if you had enough people that purchased one to two pieces of stock in the Disney corporation (under the name of your group) that you would get invited to board meetings (maybe not the big ones) and would then be able to voice your concerns about the park to people who might be in postitions to put pressure on the powers that be. This could be a bigger pain in the butt than its worth and I dont know all the legal stuff, but I agree with the above posts that protesting is not the way to go. Anyway just a thought.

Napsto
06-17-2001, 11:30 AM
phew, you guys are normal.

zapppop
06-17-2001, 02:11 PM
I agree that the upkeep of Disneyland should be better than what it is now, but a protest infront of the park is too extreme. Disneyland is not THAT bad. Complaining to city hall or making a web page is one thing, but holding a protest at the front gate and carrying signs or whatever just to get ToonTown repainted is a little crazy.

Rok
06-17-2001, 09:41 PM
Well this webpage is one of the greatest ways I have seen to get the information out in the open about what's going on behind the scenes. I mean I would probably have no idea who Paul Pressler is if it wasn't for Al's D-I-G updates. Word-of-mouth is an incredible thing in business. We just need to look at DCA attendence to see this illustrated.

In the meantime, I would certainly like to see things change, but I'm not ready to stop buying Annual Passes, food and merchandise in the parks. I guess that makes me part of the problem. Oh well, I can live with that. I'm having a blast!

Rok

splbound
06-18-2001, 11:20 AM
I suggest you do not get yourself arrested at the park. First, it's private property. Media will not be allowed in unless Disney ok's it. They won't. So you would just impress/scare the few hundred people that see you before you are hauled off.

Second, from a corporate point of view here is the sad truth. DL is making money. They have an obligation to the stock holders to make money....Why spend $$$'s if they are making money? - Point of this is, nothing will change at DL until the attendance starts falling off. If less and less people are visiting, then they will react... and quickly. Until then, if it ain't broke, don't fix it...from a corporate view

cstephens
06-18-2001, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by Alonzo_Hawk
Sorry guys and Gals, The only way to get Michaels attention is with Media Coverage at the Main Gate. So the Police might escort you off property but Hopefully not before the TV News Media has it's field day.

I don't doubt that the media would have a field day, but I suspect the subject would be you, not Disney.


Shame on you for giving up.

I also think it is extremely arrogant of you to try to "shame" anyone and to berate people because they refuse to participate in your so-called plan and don't agree that being a public nuisance is the best way to achieve something.

Alonzo_Hawk
06-19-2001, 05:34 AM
1. The Best way to get Michael Eisner & Paul Pressler to stop running the Walt Disney Co to the ground is through embarressment. That usually means the Media. If you have a better way of embarrassing them, please enlighten me.

2. Yes, "Shame on you" for not caring enough about "your Disneyland" to bring attention to it's plight.

3. I'm not just talking about a few burnt out light bulbs on Main St USA or chipped paint on the Hauned Mansion, I'm talking about the Safety of the Park.
This includes...
a. Training time for Rides Cast
b. Maintenance upkeep for attractions
c. Drug testing for All Ride operators
d. Looking into safetycodes being met on all rides.

You see, one day when you're at Disneyland with a child or Grandchild, Nephew or Niece, and they get on a ride, will you worry that they are in good hands? These days in Disney Parks accident's are happening at a rate of about one per day, some the fault of the Guest and others the fault of the Park. Do you truly feel safe at a Disney Park these days, I don't. I work for Disney, I see these things from a backstage perspective.

Is it arrogant to love something so much you are willing to put your job on the line to save it or try to make others see the reality of the situation? I wouldn't be posting these posts if it were just burnt out lights and chipped paint. It's so much more than that. It's about Cast morale, Safety and the future of the Parks. Don't turn a blind eye to the real situation of what's going on.

Like I said in an earlier post, Websites are a good start, but not enough to get Michael to fix the problem he has created. And for those of you who say it's a business answerable to it's stockholders and they are there to make a profit, than they like most companies who look at the big picture narrowmindedly will die.

Let's do something now before someone really gets hurt.

Mr D
06-19-2001, 06:01 AM
Go find the people that wrote last sundays article about the pale comparisons of DCA and you may find some friends.

cstephens
06-19-2001, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Alonzo_Hawk
1. The Best way to get Michael Eisner & Paul Pressler to stop running the Walt Disney Co to the ground is through embarressment. That usually means the Media. If you have a better way of embarrassing them, please enlighten me.

If you think embarrassment will work, have a great time. I happen to think it's a silly idea, and that the embarrassment won't be on their part.


2. Yes, "Shame on you" for not caring enough about "your Disneyland" to bring attention to it's plight.

Right, you apparently care more than I do because you're willing to do something I think is completely silly and useless, and I'm not willing to make a complete fool of myself. Is this that whole "true fan" thing that crops up periodically on every mailing list/newsgroup/discussion board I participate in?


Do you truly feel safe at a Disney Park these days, I don't.

One should never feel "truly safe" at any amusement park. Things happen, that's the nature of things. Even if they try their best, things are going to happen. Some of the accidents that I've heard of lately are attributable to the inattention of the customer. I'm sure there are things that need to be made better at Disney, but picketing in front of the entrance is not going to make that happen.


I work for Disney, I see these things from a backstage perspective.

Good luck on your new job search.


Is it arrogant to love something so much you are willing to put your job on the line to save it or try to make others see the reality of the situation?

In some cases, I think it's silly, but I do think it's arrogant to berate others for not sharing your same fervor.

Berry Princess
06-19-2001, 11:40 AM
I work for Disney, I see these things from a backstage perspective.

If you work for them then why aren't you trying to gather others together that work for Disney to help do something about the problems? I'm all for getting things taken care of with the problems with Disneyland and how its all handled BUT I'm not for holding a protest. As was said before there are ways to go about this in better ways and examples were given that were really good ones. I would really be careful what you do if you work for the company otherwise you will end up looking for a new job soon.

Berry Princess
06-19-2001, 11:44 AM
One more thing. If you work for them are you part of the union? If so then why don't you bring up these concerns with them also. Especially the stuff about the drug testing (which should be done on a regular basis with no notice), the maintence, saftey, etc.. It is part of the job for anyone at Disneyland so if you are a part of the union why not speak up to them too. I don't know where you work with Disney but that is another idea for something you can do from the inside of the company.

Lacrosse Boy
06-19-2001, 12:15 PM
I don't like getting involved in stuff like that . . .

mousecat
06-19-2001, 12:30 PM
If you are going to play "protester" and “embarrass” Disney you might as well learn something about effective civil disobedience. After all, this has been done before (not at Disney unless you count the workers strikes a few years ago). Otherwise you are just an amateur against Disney’s very effective professionals. And you will not win. I would recommend picking up the book “Rules for Radicals: A Practical Primer for Realistic Radicals” by Saul Alinsky.

I agree with the others that there maybe more effective ways to get your point across. If Warren Buffet can’t shame management by selling off almost all of his Disney stock, it is unlikely that a lone protestor, pacing on private property for a few minutes before being hauled off, with no media presence will not exactly rock these people. Just my couple of cents worth.

Ralph Wiggum
06-19-2001, 02:22 PM
I agree that a few Public citizens protesting will not affect Disney at all. Now if you had cast memebers(tons of them) walk off the job and join together in protest at the main gate and call the media that could definately get some attention but even then it might not be the kind you want. I would love to see that though.