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Darkbeer
02-07-2007, 05:00 PM
So we have reached California Adventure’s Sixth Anniversary, and currently it is still having problems, but there are strong rumors of Major Improvements and Changes in the future.

We will talk about the future at the end, but let’s look at the park as of February 8th, 2007.

Much of the park is still closed to general Park Guests.

In the Hollywood Pictures Backlot area, the Former Millionaire Building, now called Stage 17 is just used for Special events and Private Parties. The same holds true for the former Hollywood and Dine location. Two large facilities fairly close to each other. The Hyperion now sits unused two days a week.

Over at the Bountiful Valley Farm area, Caterpillar has pulled out of being a sponsor, and the Stage area has been removed, leaving a very dead space.

Next door, in the Pacific Wharf area, the largest eatery still sits empty and unused (Lucky Fortune Cookery), though it did get some use during the Food and Wine Festival.

And right next to that you have the Golden Vine Winery Wine Bars, the larger of the two (the west end) has sat unused (except for some special events a few days a year) for years, along with the Season of the Vine attraction, which is hardly ever open. Last Sunday, we had a group of 20 that asked for someone to come over and show us the movie, and were told that it was closed.

On the other side of the closed Wine Bar is the San Francisco area, with a empty building, last time it was used by Guests was during the X-Games promotion, as an arcade.

The Cove Bar is just open three days a week in the off-season.

The Entertainment Corridor only has a Parade go down it 3 days a week during the off-season and the Electrical Parade is only offered about 4 months out of the year.

DCA still has shorter park operating hours and much less entertainment and character interaction than Disneyland. The only new things that DCA got in the last 12 months were the High School Musical and the Lighting McQueen and Mater Meet and Greet, plus “PUSH” getting relocated from Tomorrowland.

Less than a year ago, Disney's chief executive officer, Robert Iger went on record during the company's annual stockholder meeting on March 10th, 2006, when someone asked about a potential third park being built in Anaheim. "We're still working to assure the second gate is successful", Iger said, referring to California Adventure. "In the spirit of candor, we have been challenged."

What is the challenge? Well, it has been reported that the Senior Execs now are looking into “The DCA Problem” and how to fix it.

But the main problem is currently attendance, or more precisely, paid admission revenue.

Currently we have major discounts and promotions to try and draw guests into DCA.

The current marketing program, “Rockin’ Both Parks” was rushed and changed multiple times the weeks before it took effect, including logos and now a revised Television commercial that features the “Dreams” music instead of the Red Hot Chili Peppers, with once again revised logos. The marketing program was designed to match up with the return of the 2fer ticket, which Disney still markets as “Enjoy Disneyland® Park on one day and Disney's California Adventure® Park on another day FREE!".

Then we have the severe discounting offered to guests that will buy a Three Day or longer ParkHopper (Currently a 3 day ParkHopper is just $7 more than a 2 day ParkHopper). This has Disney looking for guests to take a look at DCA while they are there, but not much additional admission revenue paying for the park operation.
Disney also does force some folks to go into DCA. First during certain times, if a Cast Member wants to sign in a guest, they need to use the DCA turnstiles, not Disneyland’s. Also there are less Cast Member Blockout days for themselves and guests at DCA than at Disneyland.

Add the Annual Passport program, in which Southern Californians can get an AP for $154 or less for an entire year.

Now, DCA did get a boost in its attendance count due to the expansion of the Mickey’s Halloween treat event, which had a larger daily attendance this year.
Also, Disney was very pro-active on days of high attendance at Disneyland, stopping one day ticket sales to Disneyland earlier, but offering a special DCA ticket for the same price, that allowed a guest to visit DCA, but then enter Disneyland after a certain set time printed on the ticket (they spread the time around to not have a large group at any one time try to enter Disneyland, but times like after 4 PM, 5 PM and 6 PM were common). This helped DCA attendance, as they count the first park visited in a day.

Disney doesn’t issue official attendance counts, but they do talk about percentage increases and decreases by the “resort” in investor information and phone calls. In the conference call on November 9th, 2006, they reported that the Disneyland Resort attendance was down 7% in the 4th Quarter (as compared to 4th quarter 2005). The Fourth Quarter covers the months of July, August and September. Of course, the 50th celebration was winding down, so it wasn’t a big surprise that attendance drop as compared to 2005. In the February 7th, 2007 conference call, it was reported that the Disneyland Resort attendance was down 5% for the October thru December 2006 period compared to the same timeframe in 2005.

So the vast majority of DCA’s attendance are folks who paid very little to enter DCA (The 2fer, Advance Purchase ParkHoppers, Annual Passes and Cast Member sign ins and comps). On the other hand, Disneyland sells a lot of single day tickets to its park, bringing in a lot more revenue on a “per guest” basis than DCA does.

We know of one major project in the works, “Toy Story Mania!” which is being built and opens in 2008. So far, everything that has been announced sounds like Disney is using new technology and including advanced AA’s, things that are sorely lacking currently at DCA. Also, part of the budget is to help plus the area around the entrance to “Toy Story Mania”.

This is all fine and good, but Disney did learn that just opening one new attraction will just help push more Annual Passholders thru the gates to check out the new ride when they opened Tower of Terror and Monsters, Inc. Currently both attractions have short waits the majority of the time. The park is still not seen as having a full days worth of “value”.

Disney has known they need to have a much stronger Extreme Makeover of the park, and rumors have the decision to spend over $650 million, about the same amount of money as what it costs to build the original DCA. And some of the current rumors are getting positive spin on the internet.

The Walt Disney Company Annual Stockholders Meeting will be held Thursday, March 8th and rumors have the Board coming up to a final decision on the proposed plans and that an announcement will be made to the major investment and needed changes to DCA around the same time, maybe even at the meeting itself.

So we should have some great things to discuss, upcoming new attractions and the possible re-branding of the park when the project is completed. Maybe then Disney can get more than a few folks a day to pay full price to visit the park just south of Disneyland

So Disney will let the day pass by without celebration at the Park, just another normal off-season weekday with limited hours and entertainment.

Here is hoping that we can spend more time a year from now (and 4 years from now) with all the work being done to help make DCA more deserving to be called “Disney’s” California Adventure.

And then, Disney can celebrate the changes when they can reduce and eliminate all the discounts and the CM’s selling tickets can truly ask, “You want a One Day ticket, which park would you like to visit?” and not get just one answer…..

MommyTo3Boys1Girl
02-07-2007, 06:50 PM
Thanks for sharing that DB. I really hope they do something to improve DCA. There are things I like there, one being less crowded place to go when DL is busy, but I can never find enough things to do there to take even 3/4s of a day, let alone an entire day. I find myself, wishing I was back at DL. There is just not the same magical feel at DCA, I feel like I am at a carnival or fair when at DCA, nothing like what I feel at DL. But then I don't know if that feeling will ever change. It would be nice if they had "different" attractions. If you think about the number of rides at DCA, versus the number of rides in even 1/2 of DL, it is sad. The only really unique attractions are Soarin', TOT, and umm, hmm, can't think of anything. Oh It's Tough to be a Bug, forgot that. Honestly, everything else can be found at the state fair or other amusement parks.
I don't have any solutions to the problems, I just hope they come up with something, soon. It is sad to see more and more things shut down every time we go.

Darkbeer
02-08-2007, 12:05 AM
^ Here is what I wrote just one year ago here at MousePlanet...

DCA's 5th Anniversary, a few thoughts and observations

February 8th is the day Disney has decided to celebrate the day. Why not the first day of previews back in January???? Disneyland celebrates its Anniversary on the first (and only) preview day, instead of the first day open to the public, July 18th.....

So, let's "walk" around the park in a tour group, and make some comments about different areas and attractions...

We start at the Esplanade, well, that name didn't last long, as Disney decided that too many people didn't understand the word, and renamed the area the "Main Entry Plaza", and changed all the maps to reflect the new name.

And no look back at DCA can be complete without mentioning the ongoing marketing and ticket prices. Year one, the park was planned to stand by itself, very few people could get ParkHoppers, multi day tickets required you to pick one park for the day, and they stopped selling all new AP's.

Well, opening day was very quiet, the expected 38,000 guests turned out to be only 14,000, and Disneyland got 17,000 that day.

Attendance trends continued to be a lot smaller than Disney expected.

So much so, that after a few weeks, Disney started to expand the folks that could get ParkHopper tickets, brought back the AP program, and then the big promotion, for the Summer of 2001, Adults at the kids price, and the kid ticket for free. Then in the fall, the dropping of the AP prices to reflect the old Disneyland only AP price.

Over the last five years, we have seen a lot of Advance Purchase Multi-Day ParkHoppers, or "2 days free" to help drive tourist to stay and check out DCA, and locals have now come to expect to get into DCA for FREE! if you pay for Disneyland.

And then the marketing efforts, the Rockin' the Bay "Music" series (Disney wouldn't call it a concert series, since the sets were only about 40 minutes long), the X Games summer, Fiesta Latina, Soap Opera Weekends, and the ABC Primetime Preview weekend, all of which have been cancelled.

Now DCA isn't even mentioned in the current advertising for Monsters, Inc., just the fact it is at the Disneyland Resort. It makes you think that DCA was just designed for Disneyland's overflow (even though we know that wasn't the case).

OK, let's go inside and check out some memories.... We will walk around the park in a clockwise direction, pointing out some interesting facts.

As we walk thru the turnstiles, we hit one of the first memories for many folks... the "What IS that smell???" memory, and while I have heard it called different things, the correct smell is burnt coffee (roasted coffee beans). Someone decided to pump it out to the entry way. That is one of MANY decisions that will be questioned along the "tour"...

So at the end of the entry way, (watch out for the Kodak folks) we have the park's "weenie", the large sun and water fountain. While a nice feature, it is underwhelming as a park icon. Enjoy it while you can, looks like it will be removed and replaced with hopefully a better "weenie" in the near future (and maybe they can take the coffee roaster vents away at the same time!)

Off to the Hollywood Pictures Backlot area, we have the nice archway, too bad they didn't build it like on the original plans, the ones that would have the arch being able to raise up during parades to allow tall floats to pass. Hollywood Blvd is a nice area, and makes a very nice backdrop for the parade. In fact, Disney did use it for the media shots when they had celebrities in parades for things like Soap Opera weekends and the ABC Primetime Preview weekends. Alas, they could only use automobiles and marching bands in the area.

Well, we will focus on the left hand side for right now....

So far, the only thing we have walked by are Gift Shops, and finally our first restaurant, but not even a restaurant, but a place that sells hot dogs, and allows you to sit on the sidewalk and eat them.

A little bit further, a turn to the left, and the first attraction of the park, Muppet*Vision 3D, for some reason, the folks who designed the park thought that these type of 3D movies would be real popular, so much so, they installed FASTPASS machines for them. They have been removed for lack of need/use. While a nice movie, it is a 10 year old movie featured in Orlando.

Then we have the first major expansion for the park, currently an empty building. In response to guests comments of lack of attractions, Disney rushed to build this building shortly after the park opened. In September, it was up and ready, featuring another Orlando import, the "Who Wants to be a Millionaire - Play It!" live show. For some reason, DCA did not get the pre-show they offer at Orlando though. The timing of this attraction was hurt by a couple of things, one was that the show was losing steam, as it was being overshown on the airwaves. The second, the scheduled Media opening of the attraction got overshadowed by September 11th. It did remain open for a few years, when it was closed due to entertainment cutbacks.

Next is maybe one of the parks biggest mistakes, and now one of the park future stars. Originally this building opened as a dark ride called Superstar Limo, but got the nickname of StupidStar Lame-O. A ride that had many flaws, first was the lack of sets, the majority of the ride, only one side of the attraction was used, leaving a blank wall on the other side, second was the use of celebrities. Most of these folks were already under contract to Disney/ABC, and were used not for the longevity as celebrities, but since they were easy (and cheap) to use. This made the ride a bunch of small sets with no real story behind it. Add to this the use of some very bizarre puppets, both in the pre-show, and on the actual ride, and it was just a strange ride that never got popular. So much so, that SSL was one of the shortest lasting attractions in Disney history. Then it sat unused for the last 4 years before getting totally rethemed (The original track and vehicles are still used). It just re-opened as a totally new attraction, Monsters, In.: Mike and Sulley to the Rescue. This design is much more detail oriented, the entire ride is full of sets, using both sides of the track this time. Also, much consideration was used in the repeatability of the ride, using a few things to make each ride a bit different, and using a much better story line, with characters that have a much longer shelf life than the SSL celebrities. Hopefully more of the park will be plussed and enhanced in the future.

Over on the right is the Hollywood Backlot Stage. An area that has seen many different shows, though none have been a big hit. Also interesting to note, the original area had no shade structure, only after a couple of years of complaints did Disney add the large overhang roof over the seating area.

Back to the left, we have Stage 12. This originally was going to be one of the park's major restaurants, called Hollywood & Dine. Offering a few different types of food, it never caught on, especially since nothing else was going on in the area to help drive guests into the restaurant, it was closed after a year of use, and now is used for hosting private events, and has been placed behind a new wall. In front of that wall is the Studio Catering Company, offering sodas and snacks.

Now we are approaching the Hyperion Theater, another building with a story to tell.

First, many folks scratched their head when no real lobby was built, but instead an outdoor queue area, once again, without shade is being used. Supposedly part of the original plans was to offer not just shows for the park, but also the ability to offer special events and movie premiers in the facility. They did try one for Spy Kids 2, but had a lot of problems, including the lack of restrooms in the facility (OK for short shows, not good for 2 hour events). Adding restrooms and concession stands would have allowed better use of the building.

The original show, "Steps in Time" was such a fiasco, it was redone in just a few weeks due to the original reviews during the park previews. Steps in Time, version 2 wasn't much better, and was replaced by a shortened version of the Broadway hit "Blast". The show performed to larger crowds than Steps in Time, who found the show based on Marching Bands and hit music with a flair an enjoyable time. It remained until Disney figured out a show that would be more "Disney" that could draw crowds. That show was "Aladdin", which opened with large fanfare, using some well known Broadway actors. It was an initial hit, and helped bring back Annual Passholders for repeat shows. Currently, the show has lost some of its steam, partly due to the fact that it has been around for quite awhile now, and the fact that they have cut back on the well known actors. Everything runs its course, and it seems about time to replace this show with something new.

Next is another major addition to the park, the Twilight Zone Tower of Terror. Once again, another Orlando transplant. Many folks feel that this version is a bit less than the Florida version. Also, folks questioned if this was the right type of attraction to add to the park, since many folks will not ride a thrill ride like this, and that maybe an E-ticket ride for the entire family would have been a better choice. In hindsight, they might have been right, as the attraction has not been a major driver of new attendance to the park.

Next is the Animation Building, if you can find the entrance. This has been one of the complaints, as the entrance isn't clearly marked. Disney has tried many things, including adding turnstiles, and a show on the street that ends with bringing in folks inside to meet characters. A lot of the building has been redone, adding new shows like Turtle Talk with Crush, and Drawn into Animation. Those who venture inside usually have fun, especially with the interactive exhibits on the lower level.

Just before we take a bathroom break in the area inspired by Frank Lloyd Wright, lets talk about the last attraction in the area. Originally it was a restaurant named "Soap Opera Bistro", it was a sit down restaurant that featured actors playing Soap Opera scenes while having lunch or dinner. Once again in Hindsight, a place like this should have been in Downtown Disney instead of inside the park. Many folks are not interested in Soap Operas, so it was too narrow-casted for the guests entering the park. So it was closed, and converted to another Orlando import, a show designed for pre-schools that Disney's sees as synergy in promoting the shows it offers on the Disney Channel. And while the show is great for the pre-school set, most of the adults get bored quickly.

OK, lets head thru Sunshine Plaza, and bear to the left...

We are now walking down the "Entertainment Corridor", DCA originally was supposed to be "Hip and Edgy", and couldn't use terms from Disneyland like Parade Route.... Whatever http://www.micechat.com/forums/images/smilies/wink3.gif

So now we have Grizzly Peak Mountain on the right, more on this later, lets stay to the left....

We are walking up to the Bug's Land area, this originally was supposed to be a working farm and another Orlando movie import "It's Tough to be a Bug", once again, they originally installed FASTPASS machines, but removed them for the lack of need. The movie is cute, but Disney made a major mistake with DCA, and that is the failure to take into consideration the amount of local visitors that visit Disneyland. About 2/3'rds of the visitors are locals (considered to be within a day's drive round trip). When Walt Disney decided where to build Disneyland, one of the major focuses was to pick a location that would end up being the center of the Southern California area. And they did a great job, as they were only a few miles off the current center of the region. These are folks who return more often, and make day trips. Movies (even the Disneyland version such as HISTA) have a low repeatability rate. Also, making Day Trips, many of these folks know and prefer Disneyland, and will choose that for a day, and especially with the current ticket pricing, just opt for the cheaper one day, one park ticket. DCA is known by many as a half-day park, and if they really wanted to get full price, they should have spent more time planning before building DCA.

Getting back to the area, the budget was tight, and Disney needed something to fill up this area, so they added some crops and a water play area. It was considered by many to be weak. Even today, most of the eateries are still closed due to lack of demand.

In response to the initial complaints about lack of things for kids to do (and there were lots of complaints, in fact, the first summer, they offered the kids tickets for free if you bought a discounted Adult ticket, and had special stands set up where kids could get stickers and color as a quick fix, plus adding appearances by Disney Characters, originally not part of the plan, instead they had their own characters such as DeVine and Three Bags Full, which have gone to Yester-DCA Park), Disney decided to build a kids area, which turned out to be the Flik's Fun Fair area. They re-themed the Farm area to just flower beds and a few statures of Pixar characters.

The new area is richly themed (another original complaint about DCA), but many find the rides lacking. Two particular ones are the Bumper Cars, with a high height requirement for kids (no very kid friendly), and the Heimlich's Chew-Chew Train, a ride which is fun, but way too short. If they run two trains, you spend more time waiting for the first train to leave the station then the actual ride. Also, another water play area was added, even though there was one just outside in the old farm area, and another major one we will see later. Many see the use of the water areas as a cheap, easy out to fill space, and while one or even two is nice for those hot summer days, three does seem to be overkill.

Before entering the Pacific Wharf area, lets go back to the right side of the street, and the Golden Vineyard area. Originally built for the Robert Mondavi Winery as a showcase for their wines, the company pulled out just after 6 months of being in business. A small attraction remains, "Seasons of the Vine", a movie about wine-making, but is hardly ever open.

One of the two wine bars remains open for business, but the restaurant areas got an major overhaul. The upstairs fine dining Vineyard Room is now run by Disney with different chefs, but the basic offerings are the same.

The downstairs area originally had a nice deli, but was converted to a downstairs restaurant with sit down service. Disney did a good job with this conversion, but many do miss the choices the deli offered. Also you can see the large west tasting area which has been closed since the first few days of operation.

Let's head over to Pacific Wharf. This is another "mini-area" which has a lot of folks scratching their heads. What it ended up being was a large food court area, with two "factory" tours where you can see tortillas and Sourdough bread being made. The factory tours are counted as park attractions, even though they are basically a commercial for the sponsoring companies. The other half of the area was made up for 4 different food choices, though two of them have closed due to lack of business. A Margarita Stand and a Beer Truck are also in the area to complement the food choices. Interesting story, when the park first opened, the Beer Truck was not installed, as Disney did not want the Media to focus on it. Right after the Opening Weekend activities, a crane was used to place the Beer Truck in its current location. Also, Disney really tried to make a deal with one of the Major Beer Companies to be a sponsor, but could not come to terms with any of them. At the last minute, Karl Strauss, a San Diego Micro-brewery was invited to become the official beer of the Park, and now has seven types of beer available to guests. (And the guests were the winners on this issue, as they got a true taste of a good California product, compared to mass produced stuff!).

Time to leave the Pacific Wharf area and to the San Francisco court yard, we will stay to the left and head to the Paradise Pier area, and will return to the San Francisco area later.

As we walk up the "pier", you will see a gift shop on the left, and "Ariel's Grotto" on the right. The restaurant was originally built by Wolfgang Puck and called Avalon Cove. It was a fine dining option, but one with limited appeal. Why was it on the inside of the park gates, where you had to pay over $40 just to get to the front door. This is another restaurant that made more sense to have in the Downtown Disney area, especially with another Fine Dining choice just a few yards away in the Golden Vine Winery area.
I remember the great Sushi and Clam Chowder they served in the upstairs bar area.

Well, Wolfgang Puck pulled out of the park at the same time Robert Mondavi did, both of which reported multi-million ($10+) dollar losses. Disney took over and converted the downstairs main dining area into a Character Dining location. They still are trying to increase the amount of meals served here, as they have changed the Character selections a few times. The original set of Characters included Ariel in Mermaid form, who sat on a special cart, and first was pushed around to allow her to visit guests at their table. Then she was moved to a location near the main entrance, which didn't require her to be pushed except when entering and leaving the restaurant, the rest of the Characters were just a group of Disney Characters that changed depending on who was available. After a couple of years, Disney decided to allow Mickey Mouse to host a character meal for the first time, to help drive additional guests to eat. Well, after that decision was made, the execs looked at the price to rename the location to reflect Mickey replacing Ariel. Well, the signage was going to be very expensive, especially the original sign installed by Wolfgang Puck, and slightly modified by Disney to reflect the new name of "Ariel's Grotto". So it was decided to leave the name as is, and say "Ariel's Grotto featuring Captain Mickey and Friends". It was confusing, as guests kept asking where Ariel was.... The amount of business did not significally increase, so they came up with the current idea. Looking at WDW, they saw that the Princess Dining was always sold out at WDW, so let's try that, and we can have Ariel appear post-marriage in human form to eliminate the problems of transporting her around. So far, business has been decent, but not the sold-out situation you find at Orlando.

The upstairs bar remained, and is operated by Disney, though they have cut back the hours of operation, especially during the off-season, with the bar only open on weekends. They also changed the food options, and Disney is enforcing a policy of not allowing items that could be considered "meal replacements", such as Garlic Fries in the bar.

Next we will walk along the edge of the water (Ocean?), many folks think this area is nicer in the evening with all the lights shining, but with the shortened hours due to lack of visitors, not too many people get to see them during the off season.

On the left we have California Screamin', a nice smooth roller coaster, but that is what it is, a roller coaster that you could find at any other park. You go over roof tops and over unlandscaped dirt, and have lots of views of the outside, including the convention center and back stage areas, things you don't find on any other Disney park coaster.

After the coaster, we have a small merry-go-round, a couple of eateries, one which has been closed for good, and another which has been a hit, so much so, most of its menu was brought to Frontierland in Disneyland.

On the left now is a group of Carny games... Many folks think they do not belong inside of a Disney park. On the right is the giant Sun Wheel, another nice ride, but you can find a wheel about the same size at the Orange County Fair each summer.

Next is more shops on the left (a major complaint about the original park, too much emphasis on shops and food, and not enough on attractions).

After a narrowing of the path, we have the Maliboomer on the left, a S&S Power Tower. Another ride you can find at other parks. Knott's Berry Farm has a much bigger version called Supreme Scream. Also, many folks complain about the "Scream Shields" that were placed on the ride, even though many folks think they are "Vomit Guards".

After Maliboomer, we are transitioning to the Route 66 area, with two Minor rides on the right, the Orange Stinger and Jumpin Jellyfish.

On the left we have a couple of restaurants, A Pizza Place, and Burger Madness, which serves McDonalds food at high prices.

Also, we have another kids water play area, the s.s. rustworthy. Nicely themed, but not a major expense.

After that, we have Mulholland Madness, a wild-mouse roller coaster. When it first opened, it was very rough, so much so, Disney medical staff pretty much just stayed at the attraction for the first few weeks until it was closed for modification to eliminate the constant minor injuries it was creating.

On the right is the Golden Zepher, a nice looking ride, but a ride with major flaws. The original version couldn't operate even under light winds. They modified and beefed up the guide wires, but still today, moderate winds force the rides closure.

On the left is more shops, and hidden behind some bushes, an entrance that was designed to help sell room at the Paradise Pier Hotel, a private entrance to the park. It closed down Labor Day, 2004 due to lack of use, and safety concerns for the few CM's that staffed the entrance.

On the right is the Golden State Amphitheater, another underbuilt area. When Disney has tried to host concerts in this area, they have had to build stages, add additional seating and trim bushes and trees. Even with all that, the venue has major problem, including lack of shade. Nowadays, it pretty much sits unused.

On the left is a building that looks like the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco. While a nice looking building on the outside, on the inside is an attraction that MANY folks find underwhelming, called Golden Dreams. The original park plans called for an AA attraction with a revolving stage that featured California history. What was finally delivered was a 20 minute film that is just that, a film, something you could watch on PBS on the TV at home. While there are some fans of the film, many feel it wasn't worth the time to watch it, especially in a park where you expect to find rides and attractions that are different than watching TV at home. Strong rumors have the film being relocated (due to contractial obligations) to a much smaller theater. Here is hoping they can find a good attraction to be placed in the Palace of Fine Arts.

Let's make a left turn onto "Bathroom" row and the San Francisco area. On the right is a set of buildings that originally was going to feature artisans, but those plans fell through. The building has been used a couple of times, mainly as an video arcade, or for making Christmas Cards for a show called Luminaria, which only lasted one season, mainly since it was a rushed job and had many problems, including seating and viewing issues.

As we come up to the Waterwheel, we will walk to the left. The right does offer another path, but it basically walks behind the Grizzly River Run loading area, and while has some nice detail, is nothing special and ends up at the GRR rental lockers.

On the left is the Redwood Creek Play Area, the one major attraction that was designed for kids when the park opened. Mainly a place to let kids run off stored energy, nicely themed, but basically stuff you can find at a big city park.

On the right is the river rapids ride, Grizzly River Run. This is another attraction that can be found at three other SoCal parks in similar form, though themed slightly differently. A nice ride in the hot summer days, though has limited appeal on those cool or cold off-season days.

On the left is the Grand Californian Hotel, and a special entrance/exit that allows guests to grab some food or drink at the Hotel.

As we continue on, we enter the last area of DCA, the Condor Flats area.

This is not the largest area, and only houses one attraction, Soarin' over California.

Before we get there, let me point out the area on the right, which is bathrooms and a smoking area. Interesting to note that the smoking area was added after the park opened, and was originally themed as the fuel storage area for the airplanes. Shortly after they made it a smoking area, someone got smart and had all the "fuel" references removed from the area....

Getting back to Soarin' over California, it was the one "unique" attraction when DCA opened, and was a holdover from the WESTcot plans. While the entire pre-show queue area was cut from the budget, the actual attraction became a hit. Amazing that due to politics (Soarin' coming from the "old school" folks), the people in charge didn't expect the attraction to be a hit, and failed to build a decent queue outside the building. Shortly after opening, they had to build a temporary queue next to Taste Pilots Grill while they added to the original queue, both in the size, and to add shade (something the original plans failed in providing throughout the park). This attraction was so popular, it has been copied in Orlando, but of course, they have a nicer queue area.

Then we have Taste Pilots Grill, one of the more popular restaurants in the park. The fixin bar for your sandwiches is a favorite of many, and was a test location for self service touch screen ordering, which continues today, though it has not yet spread to other locations.

Then back to the Sunshine Plaza area......

To finish up, DCA has had a lot of problems, many of which were caused by the way Disney designed the park (Rushed and with budget at the top of the list), or the way it was marketed. Some of the solutions have hurt the resort in general (the major one being the amount of discounted tickets that have to be offered to drive attendance to DCA), but hopefully the major changes that have happened in change of management, including the fact that the majority of senior management involved with the original plans for DCA have left the company bode well for the future of this park.

Many folks working for the company think that only Major changes, and even a change in the park's name is what will fix the problems that DCA have become to the Anaheim resort.

The next few years should be fun to watch as they seriously address the problems, and hopefully come up with some great solutions.

You are right, I missed talking about the "entertainment" otherwise known as Parades. I mentioned the route, but since I was mentally walking thru the park, I missed them.

The first attempt at Street Entertainment was Eureka, a parade that was different, but unique. I still like listening to the music on occasion, and watched it a few times, though not every time I visited.

The return of the Main Street Electrical Parade was a serious marketing attempt to drive folks to DCA in 2001, and was seen as an "easy fix", though it did make a LOT of folks upset, especially those who bought the light bulbs from the last year at Disneyland.

Block Party Bash started in May, and is seen by many folks as a "kids" parade, with lots of energy. Not too many people see any repeatability in it, and many folks have been seen walking away from the "event" after a few minutes, especially adults. Part of DCA problems is the fact that there isn't much for the "entire" family to enjoy at the same time, and IMHO Block Party Bash adds to it. Thank Goodness those ugly large Red Traffic Cones were removed from the Mickey & Friends Tram area, and the Main Entry Plaza advertising the roaming entertainment.

And thank goodness I forgot to Mention the LARGE Chicken Head from late 2005, that was SCARY!!!! :eek:

Another Dimension
02-08-2007, 05:32 AM
Happy Happy 6th Birthday DCA!!!!!! :D

DBJ
02-08-2007, 10:58 AM
Hard to believe it has been 6 years!

I do like the direction DCA is going in general, although it's creeping along. One rumor I've read is that they may close Hollywood & Dine and build another hotel. Now, isn't this the exact reason why DCA tanked in the first place? Putting retail as #1 priority over the attractions? DCA started out as nearly a mall with a few attractions thrown in the mix. It's hard to beleive they would landlock the park by expanding one hotel, and then adding another on it's other side.

My thought would be for them to kill the "California" in the name, over to Animation - so it's Disney's Animation Adventure, or Animazement. Since so much of the park is basically that theme- Monsters, Brother Bear (rumored makeover for GRR), Cars, Toy Story, Bug's Life it makes sense. Given that the placemaking project is supposedly supposed to be about what CA looked like when Walt arrived, it would kind of make sense to have the entire park to fit that theme. Disneyland celebrates past Animation success, why not DAA celebrate the future?

And before they kill off the last shred of land, the Timon lot, they should look at what works at DL/WDW and mirror it in the Timon lot. Imo, they should add Everest (not a literal clone of course in appearance) - at back corner of the lot, so it becomes the "weenie".

In the shadow of Everest, Carland - so Everest becomes backdrop to Carland. Wrapping the entire perimeter of the new land, a Studio Tram Tour/Train ride - all ages attraction - elevated, that passes through the various rides/bldgs., has own views and surprises (flash floods, spinning tunnels).

Phil-harmagic: The Ride. Think POTC/Small World/Spiderman combo- all ages boat attraction when guest travel through sets and filmed segments (from the 4D film). DCA needs more than anything a big ticket ride that can entertain all ages. Too often, their idea of a all ages attraction has been really simple carnival rides.

If they really want to go hotel crazy, just use the "3rd" park location. Forever killing off growth for DCA by boxing it in is insane.

raediance
02-08-2007, 11:25 AM
I cannot read everything. Well, I can. But I don't want to. x)
I like DCA. Sure, you can get through your favorite rides and a few hours, but that's kind of cool.
I think that DCA does a good job of 'theming'. Like Paradise Pier is very 'pier-ish' and the place where GRR is very...GRR-ish?
The Electrical Parade isn't doing that well in DCA, I think. Or at least when I was there. There were lots of open benches, seats, etc. where I was.
I don't really know what to say because, again, I didn't read everything. So maybe I'm repeating or I'm saying rubbish (going british! lol.) or just nonsense or something.
Hm. x/

ladodgerjon
02-08-2007, 11:53 AM
Part of the problem is that DCA is too derivative-- too "off the shelf" and not 'uniquely Disney.'

And here's the other -- bigger problem: the entire concept is fatally flawed.

Knowing that the bulk of the DLR's visitors are locals, why would I care to pay hard-earned dollars to see the stuff that surrounds me on any given day?

Hey, Disney, I live here. I don't need a 'park hopper' to enjoy real California pine trees... or watch a pair of humanoid Watts Towers dance down the parade route... or gaze upon mini replicas of Hollywood Boulevard buildings... or get blasted with the fake stink of pine trees whilst 'paragliding' over a northern California forest.

If you're talking steam boats, fairy castles, flying elephants, spinning teacups, talking pirates and old locomotives-- no, hey, that's unique! I'll pay a pretty penny to see THAT!

How did Disney not see that this was a horrible idea?

I think Lasseter's ideas sound very interesting, and will probably help the "DCA Problem" immensely.

Since I work in a creative capacity, I'll throw-in my own two cents-- something that while still expensive to accomplish, would not require a total 're-do':

I would take a second look at the original plans for the snubbed "Disney's America" theme park (to have been located in Virginia). Within sight of historic Civil War battle sites, I guess a bloodied, bandaged, and kepi-wearing Mickey Mouse was too much for those living near the Battle of Spotsylvania.

I guess that's not the case for the folks of SoCAl...

Here's my prediction:

DCA should be renamed "Disney's America."

DCA's Santa Cruz boardwalk will be transformed into a turn-of-the-century Coney Island (with the planned Pixar mania attraction incorporated into the theme). The San Francisco section will be made over into Boston's waterfront (can anyone say, "Tea Party" attraction with the next generation of AA's?

How about a Louisiana Pirate's den where the San Francisco wharf currently sits?. The Edwards Air Force Base motif could be nicely transformed into a new, "Kennedy Space Center Moon Shot"-- or a 'Mission to Mars' inspired ride aboard Burt Rutan's "Spaceship One."

A cool old west/ ghost town would nicely fit in-between the Grand Californian hotel and flume ride.

As for the Hollywood backlot section? Spruce it up with something fun, but keep it. Everyone (including the locals) enjoys movie related schtick.

just beatla33
02-08-2007, 12:06 PM
For some reason I like CA, but I wouldn't just go just for that, but I think the problem is CA lacks the magic DL has, I mean your dealing with Californian history that is written in stone, so you really can't expand your imagination like in DL where you can let your mind go. But CA can easily draw in attendence, its just the old business tip they have to do, "spend money to make money" and they just need to get it in gear and do a massive face lift. It woul dbe good in the long run.

raediance
02-08-2007, 12:19 PM
Part of the problem is that DCA is too derivative-- too "off the shelf" and not 'uniquely Disney.'

And here's the other -- bigger problem: the entire concept is fatally flawed.wow. that actually makes sense.
it would probably be cheaper for us to actually go to coney island or whatever. x)

Bytebear
02-08-2007, 05:40 PM
California is diverse enough to handle the theme. Take the best of MGM and put it in Hollywood. Take the best of TokyoSea and put it in the wharf area. Take the best of Epcot and put it in Timone. Heck, I would even say, grab the old plans from WestCOT and start there. So much potential, such cheap execution.

Darkbeer
02-09-2007, 07:08 AM
[non family-friendly link removed -- Andrew]





Another poorly executed aspect of the DCA feature set is that it was meant to be a park for the older crowd with more thrill rides and a less "kiddy" theme. They even serve alcohol in the park. Great, a $6 beer to go with absolutely nothing to do. Throughout the park you'll find stay at home and single mothers with a kid in one hand and a glass of wine in the other. Nothing says unhappy alcoholic housewife like being unable to resist the urge to drink with your kid at a theme park.

Really, if you ever find yourself in this house of horrors stop to watch the women sitting with their kids at the place that serves wine. The expressions on their faces are worth the price of admission alone. If you like to watch depressed women stuck with kids with no opportunity for advancement left in life, with their youth draining away with each screech of their bastard child, this is the place to go.

So who exactly was the park for then? Nobody knows for sure. It's like asking, why did the druids build Stonehenge? Experts (fat guys with computers who troll Disney newsgroups) hypothesize that Disney park planners wanted to concentrate less on attractions and more on shopping and dining, uhm, you know, like a mall. Disney parks aren't exactly known for their quality dining experience. Kids barely able to contain themselves in excitement don't mark up park maps days before their trip with the restaurants and shops they want to visit. "Oh, I can't wait until I get to go to Disneyland! First I'm gonna eat a $8 hamburger and then I'm gonna get a churro and then I'm gonna buy like 14 of those glow rings!" People go for the rides! That's the hook. Just remember the line from the oft-quoted Kevin Costner film, "Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!"



Much more at the link...

The old man
02-09-2007, 07:56 AM
I think there is an often repeated error in criticisms of DCA--why would people go to a park built around the theme of the state that they already live in? I think there is much wrong with the park, but it's not the theme but the execution of the park in general that's at fault. The proof? One of the most creative Disney rides in years is SOC and it's all about CA.

There just aren't enough smart rides and decent theming in the park. Look at all the space for the boardwalk area full of carny rides and games. Here's one section that could be torn down and replaced. Also on our last trip we walked past the row of house fronts back there--kind of a DL Main Street without shops, interesting things, people or (as far as we could tell) a reason for existing. What's up with that?

yohomama212
02-09-2007, 08:31 AM
Just because you live in California doesn't mean you've been to all these places. I've never been to San Francisco, so the Wharf area is appealing to me. I don't regularly spend a lot of time in the mountains and forests, so I like that little touch. I wasn't around in 19whatever to see all the old Hollywood history first hand... that's one of my favorite areas. I guess I'll be content with my minority status here as the only person in California to actually like DCA.

Liz :cool:

The old man
02-09-2007, 08:49 AM
Just because you live in California doesn't mean you've been to all these places. I don't regularly spend a lot of time in the mountains and forests, so I like that little touch. Liz :cool:
Even though I was defending DCA as to not being bad because of choice of overall theme--CA--I do have to agree with part of the over the top writing in the now (properly) removed link. I don't think an artificial mound carved into a bear quite does justice to CA's mountains & forests. Again, the second best way to at least get a sense of them is in SOC.

yohomama212
02-09-2007, 10:42 AM
Too true, too true. Though I do take some offense to the bit about the moms wasting away their youth. I find that enjoying either park with my kids makes me revert to my child-like state and be a happier person overall!

Liz :cool:

Another Dimension
02-10-2007, 02:44 AM
Great, a $6 beer to go with absolutely nothing to do.

Truly the thoughts of someone who is absolutely DCA clueless.
And this time the word absolutely is used correctly. :cool:



I guess I'll be content with my minority status here as the only person in California to actually like DCA.


You are from being the only Californian who likes DCA. :D


Those that really hate the park, act like it took their last brownie.
Which I can't suss out.
I know DCA really well, the park certainly wouldn't do that. :eek:

The old man
02-10-2007, 07:29 AM
Truly the thoughts of someone who is absolutely DCA clueless.
And this time the word absolutely is used correctly. :cool:





You are from being the only Californian who likes DCA. :D


Maybe the right use of "absolutely", but was does "from being" mean?

TinaMouse
02-10-2007, 01:19 PM
Do you think they will be able to "PLUS" what's already there? I follow along with other posters, thinking it will take a total rehab and name change to really draw crowds.

As someone NOT from CA, I still feel that DCA is a nice stop (I usually head over there when the DL crowds make me feel boxed in), but not a destination in itself. On our last trip, we spent several very quiet, almost eerie hours meandering (DH did love Strauss beer, though). There's so much space; few attractions; even fewer people.

I hold out hope that they can turn it around. There's no way they would just cut their losses and close, would they???

TinaMouse
02-10-2007, 01:20 PM
Oh--I forgot. I do love, love, love Animation Academy. That was one very pleasant surprise (once I found the entrance to the attraction). Good job on that one, DCA...

Another Dimension
02-10-2007, 03:28 PM
Maybe the right use of "absolutely", but was does "from being" mean?

From: Used to indicate separation, removal, or exclusion / Used to indicate differentiation

Being: To exist or live / To occupy a place or position / To continue or remain as before.


:)

The old man
02-10-2007, 05:21 PM
From: Used to indicate separation, removal, or exclusion / Used to indicate differentiation

Being: To exist or live / To occupy a place or position / To continue or remain as before.


:)
So this is a sentence, "You are from being the only Californian who likes DCA"?

What the heck does that mean?

If I fill in your definitions I get, "You are used to indicate separation to exist the only Californian who likes DCA."

What the heck does that mean?

Koukla
02-10-2007, 07:29 PM
So this is a sentence, "You are from being the only Californian who likes DCA"?

It is a sentence if one inserts the word "far." Perhaps s/he meant to say, "You are far from being the only Californian who likes DCA."


Maybe the right use of "absolutely", but was does "from being" mean?

And now perhaps you can tell me what "but was does" mean? ;)

Kimberly "The Editor":D

The old man
02-11-2007, 07:53 AM
It is a sentence if one inserts the word "far." Perhaps s/he meant to say, "You are far from being the only Californian who likes DCA."



And now perhaps you can tell me what "but was does" mean? ;)

Kimberly "The Editor":D
I made an error. I admit it. Did he?

PhiSigDuchessCV
02-11-2007, 09:17 AM
Personally I like DCA. They definitely need to work on the theming more and need to add more attractions and get rid of some of the dumb rides (Golden Zephyr anyone?). Also, i think they need to do something with the lagoon.

During the summer/peak times, guests go see the Electric Light Parade and then as soon as it is over, leave the park and head in to Disneyland for the fireworks and/or Fantasmic. Talk aboutfoot traffic nightmare. Why not develop some sort of show on the lagoon to start sometime soon after the ELP is over? Much smaller version of an Illuminations type show perhaps? Or even create a much smaller firework show to start at the same time as Disneylands.

Another Dimension
02-11-2007, 02:41 PM
I made an error. I admit it. Did he?

I didn't see the mistake. I made one. Ok? :rolleyes:

Why do people freak or sweat the little things... especially about DL or DCA. :p

Life is good.