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Enter The Mouse
02-06-2006, 05:54 PM
Do you think that a "classic" ride, such as POTC, should be allowed to change or stay the same? Lets give our thoughts on the argument.

I'll start:

With the refurbishment of pirates I believe Disney is changing for the better. Something new is nice and refreshing. If everything stayed the same then Disney would get no business. Some would argue that it was the last ride Walt Disney worked on himself, but he said "Disneyland will never be completed". He knew that rides would change with the times. Finnaly POTC: The Curse of the Black Pearl is a very sucessful movie. It would be different if no one liked the movie, like haunted mansion. Could you imagine if they put Eddy Murphy in the haunted mansion? That would be bad. So with the sucess of POTC the movie it will only help the ride. POTC will always be a classic ride and the new elements won't get rid of that classic feel. It will always be POTC.

Sy-
02-06-2006, 05:58 PM
Classic rides should always stay the same... What they are doing to POTC is a travesty! :crying:

~Sy

mugsrb
02-06-2006, 06:48 PM
Why do they need to update? The movie was inspired by the ride not the other way. If making a new ride then you would expect Jack and Barrubba (whatever) but it's not. I wasn't around since the ride opened but I have been on it at least once a year since 1975. I'm 35 and somewhere in my house i have video tape of the whole ride for the past 10 years. It's the first and last ride we do. I have seen changes and they have stayed (except the chasing of the women) in the theme of the ride. This change would not be in that mode. my kid's 9 7 5 all boys love the ride. They ride everything they can and they think POTC is scary thrilling etc.. so it still does stuff to kids and Hummm isn't that what the park is for? Just because we have gotton older and like all the new Plasma LCD Flat screen Blue tooth Nigt vision etc.. techno stuff doesn't mean we can't leave alone something that has worked and worked well for alot of years.

mugsrb
02-06-2006, 06:48 PM
Ahh double sorry

KDR
02-06-2006, 07:23 PM
Hmmm. POTC is, by far, my favorite Disney attraction. I have a half-sleeve tattoo of images from the ride. But I'm not really bothered by this a whole lot. At the very least, I'm willing to give it a chance.

findin mickeys
02-06-2006, 07:47 PM
I am trying to keep an open mind about these changes, but I just have this sick feeling that the changes will make the ride totally different then it is today. I do believe that Disneyland will "never be complete" but, somethings should stay the same. It was posted on here in a different thread, but I concur on the feeling. I hope this does not become another Tarzans treehouse. Where they took a successful movie and then themed an attraction around it hoping for success off of the movie. POTC is a time honored classic that IMHO was less attractive when they made it more PC 10 years ago. They are Pirates for cryin out loud!

I hope the changes will make the ride better, but somehow, I think they are going to ruin a good thing.

just my $.02

Disneymademoiselle
02-06-2006, 08:17 PM
Classic rides should always stay the same... What they are doing to POTC is a travesty! :crying:

I second that motion!!!

MsYumiBr
02-07-2006, 01:17 PM
You know, I really doubt they are going to change it drastically. It is not going to be a *new* ride but an *updated* one. New special effects, new characters, more of a freshening up than an overlay like HM and Small World Holiday or a redesign like Rocket Rods. Don't panic until it happens. It's a waste of energy. Who knows, maybe we will like the new look.

pisces
02-07-2006, 01:24 PM
I am indifferent. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I'll always have my memories, and I remember the days when there was a lot more fire. It seemed, in the 70s, this ride was far more different than now.

It's hard to believe that too much could change, anyway, given the short amount of time; say, compared with Space Mountain, which didn't seem to change at all, and was closed far longer.

The boats are a little rickety and bump along. And, there was a sort of musty smell....but maybe that's how it's supposed to be.

I'll be happy with whatever changes are made, since I was never too attached in the first place.

TowerofTerror
02-07-2006, 01:30 PM
I say it good if they change some the classic rides. It` s would be good for all the POTC fans.

DianeM
02-07-2006, 01:45 PM
I hope they don't change it too much. Disneyland is all about memories. If I want "new and different", I'll start going to a theme park that re-invents itself every few years to attract new people. It's one thing to add events, or even to change things a bit, but if they change it too much, they will destroy the magic. When I go to Disneyland, I feel like I'm going to a safe, familiar place, with memories going back to when I was a little girl. I can't think of anywhere else (besides my family home) that gives me the same feeling. The very first ride I always go on is POTC, and it sets my mood for the entire trip. I hope they don't change it enough for me to lose that. It's going to be a challenge to change POTC without changing it too much. There is always the temptation for designers to "leave their mark" on a ride, but in this case, the changes should be so subtle that people like me feel like they've been there all along. That will be tricky, but I hope they try to do it.


Do you think that a "classic" ride, such as POTC, should be allowed to change or stay the same? Lets give our thoughts on the argument.

ILovePoker
02-07-2006, 02:29 PM
What I don't like about this rehab is that all Disney is doing now is tying in movies to rides. All the greats don't have movie tie ins and they are much better because of it: Space Mountain, Grizzly River Run, Soarin', Big Thunder Mountain, Pirates, Jungle Cruise, Screamin' etc. I just hate the movie tie ins because it seems like it's just getting so commercial there.

MsYumiBr
02-07-2006, 02:33 PM
Commercial?

"It's a Small World brought to you by Bank of America."

Disneyland_042006
02-07-2006, 02:35 PM
I am a little upset about the changes, but I do agree that Disneyland muct change. However, I wonder. What is the REAL reason for the change. Does Disney actually want to provide a better ride or are they afraid of potential embarrasment of declining attendance in the second summerof the celebration and thereafter?

CaptainHook15
02-07-2006, 04:57 PM
When Walt Disney said, "Disneyland will never be complete." Did he mean:

A) We will constantly be adding new rides and attractions.

or

B) We will constantly be changing existing rides and attractions.

My guess is that he meant A. or at least something closely resembling it.

Most of Disneylands most popular rides are not based on any movie. Pirates, Big Thunder, Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion. Splash Mountain almost qualifies since most kids have never seen the movie. I often wonder if this movie tie-in idea, pop-culture theme, dooms rides to a kind of "dated-ness". I think Star Tours is a good example of this. Or the HISTA type deals.

Plus, they don't call things 'classic' or 'timeless' because they need to be changed. I would guess the list of rides that could actually use/need a change would not include Pirates. I could be wrong.

Who knows, it could be awesome. But I doubt it. Sadly, the only problem with 'waiting and seeing' is that if it sucks we are stuck with it. But that's my attitude, I'm waiting... and we'll see.


Maybe we could convince them to give the POTC movie refurb to the Winnie the Pooh ride instead! :D


PS- And yes. I am aware that fantasyland is almost entirely based on Disney movies.

bekky
02-07-2006, 05:36 PM
Hmmm. POTC is, by far, my favorite Disney attraction. I have a half-sleeve tattoo of images from the ride. But I'm not really bothered by this a whole lot. At the very least, I'm willing to give it a chance.

sounds like a cool tatoo ... got any pictures of it ??

Enter The Mouse
02-08-2006, 07:07 PM
[QUOTE=CaptainHook15]When Walt Disney said, "Disneyland will never be complete." Did he mean:

A) We will constantly be adding new rides and attractions.

or

B) We will constantly be changing existing rides and attractions.

My guess is that he meant A. or at least something closely resembling it.
[QUOTE]

I believe he ment both of those things. There is no way that rides could stay the same from 1955 and still be considered amazing today. While I love classic rides I also welcome change. Walt knew the future would change things. Thats why he had such a love for technology and the future, hence: tommorow land.

tod
02-08-2006, 07:11 PM
Walt himself mandated massive changes to the Jungle Cruise in 1962, adding the elephant bathing pool and the lost safari.

1962. Seven years.

Pirates of the Caribbean has been running for almost 40 years, pretty much unchanged.

I'd say go for it.

--t

MrsG
02-08-2006, 07:13 PM
I'm looking forward to the changes. Hey, the alternative would be to take the whole attraction out... you know they aren't scared to do that!

pisces
02-08-2006, 07:38 PM
What's the big deal about linking a film to a ride?

Snow White has a film linked to it. Peter Pan etc.....they are all tie-ins. Walt definitely supported that.

Having a tangible film to support the ride only deepens the theme. You have a point of reference. I might like to know a little bit about Carlos and why he's being dunked. Who are the Wenches?, and why are they being sold into marriage? etc. I think it's great that they are giving these characters a backstory.

It gives the ride more depth. They way it is now, you don't even know who these people are, or what their background/history is.

TTFN92
02-08-2006, 08:25 PM
I really don't mind the change because it sounds like they are just filling in the story and updating it. Hey, I loved the movie, so it can't be that bad. Now the one change that I would love to see them do is to take out the food in the chasing scenes. Now that change, the "politically correct" one, was the worst. It kills me whenever I see those trays of food. I would also like to see them fill in parts of the ride that don't have anything in them, like when you come out from under the bridge and there is just a palm tree to the right. Why not add something there. I also don't like how the new AAs, like the 2 guys trying to lift all their loot at the end, don't look like the old ones. I just don't think they fit. (Have you also noticed that their rope is very slack. If they were pulling as hard as it looks like they are, the rope should be tight.) Hopefully the new ones will tie in better. I don't mind updating as long as it is done well.

KDR
02-09-2006, 06:52 AM
sounds like a cool tatoo ... got any pictures of it ??

Yeah. I'll have to find 'em though. I posted them to a MySpace group a while back, but I can't remember exactly where they are right now...

KDR
02-09-2006, 07:12 AM
Well, that didn't take too long to find. (My apologies in advance for the poor photo quality and/or lighting...)

Okay, first off, here's the whole arm for reference:

http://www.oneringcircus.com/images/tats/KarmFull.jpg

And now some links to closer detail.

Here's the back, over the tricep area. (http://www.oneringcircus.com/images/tats/KarmBack.jpg)
Full side view, close up. (http://www.oneringcircus.com/images/tats/KarmSide.jpg)
Front of arm, over the bicep area. (http://www.oneringcircus.com/images/tats/KarmFront.jpg)

And I should give props to Mike Stobbe of Avalon Tattoo II here in San Diego. He did all of the work. He's one of the best, that's for sure.

ralfrick
02-09-2006, 07:46 AM
From Peter Pan to Frontierland (Davy Crockett, Daniel Boone) to Adventureland (True Life Adventure films) to the Matterhorn (Third Man on the Mtn), Disneyland has always, always always been a park owned by a FILM STUDIO that provides a 3D representation of it's film works. It simply astounds me when people complain about movie tie-ins. Too Commercial? Disney parks are commercialism run amuck! As often as not, someone is trying to sell you something just getting on and off attractions.

Every single one of the FL dark rides that was present opening day has been substantially changed. Flight to the Moon was totally changed to Mission to Mars. Storybookland was originally the Canal Boats of the World, and included such sights as grass and........um............dirt. Does anyone really want to bring back that "Classic" attraction?

IF they are given the proper time, budget and other resources to do a proper job, then I am fully in favor of giving creative people the opportunity to create, even if some results are flops.

Cheers.

DianeM
02-09-2006, 08:38 AM
It's funny, but I liked that change. I can stretch my imagination enough to romanticize pillage and drunkenness, but it has always been beyond my ability to romanticize rape, which is what was being shown before they put the plates in the women's hands. This gives kids an "out", a chance to think that the pirates at the auction are only buying servants, not sex slaves. That's not "PC" to me, it's just common sense.


Now the one change that I would love to see them do is to take out the food in the chasing scenes. Now that change, the "politically correct" one, was the worst.