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olegc
11-05-2016, 10:21 PM
Looks like the initial discussions are now real.

http://m.ocregister.com/articles/disney-734462-guests-checkpoint.html

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Malcon10t
11-06-2016, 06:56 AM
I wonder what they are going to do about the GCH fire exit into DTD. I've seen numerous people use it to exit into DTD. I guess they could station a security guard there.

Drince88
11-06-2016, 07:40 AM
I wonder what they are going to do about the GCH fire exit into DTD. I've seen numerous people use it to exit into DTD. I guess they could station a security guard there.

Isn't there a 'fire exit' (that they had issues with people propping open) as well as the regular exit from CGH to DCA? I can't imagine that they'd make CGH hotel guests walk over to the Disneyland hotel (basically) to get into DTD.

It's also going to make it more difficult when people want to cross the Esplanade with 'disallowed' items (like full rolling luggage), too.

currence
11-06-2016, 08:23 AM
It's also going to make it more difficult when people want to cross the Esplanade with 'disallowed' items (like full rolling luggage), too.

It may become easier for them to simply ban crossing the esplanade with disallowed items - at least from these checkpoints. It's one thing if people can practically see their destination on the other side and become really upset that they aren't allowed. If people are turned away at or near their cars it will be a lot easier for Disney to simply tell them to put banned items back in their cars. On the other side, I could see Disney still crossing with guests if they can prove that they are staying on-site.

Dave1313
11-06-2016, 08:28 AM
Interesting. I guess this necessitates multiple new checkpoints?

I generally would walk from Mickey and Friends to avoid tram lines unless it was close to a walk on. I guess a new checkpoint for walkers along the walking path?

Was all of DTD actually fenced with a hard perimeter even at this point, or will that need to be added with this?

olegc
11-06-2016, 08:47 AM
So they would need to either close that walkway to dtd from the tram stop at M&F or provide an additional checkpoint. And - the checkpoint would have to be after the cross walk to Pinocchio. My guess is there are plenty of access points that either used to be available or have not yet been planned on (or info released) until this actually comes into place.

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GrumpyGoofyGuy
11-06-2016, 09:06 AM
We usually stay at a Hotel on Katella and then walk through the GC to enter DD and head to the West Esplanade bag checks. Sounds like this may not work anymore?

olegc
11-06-2016, 11:52 AM
We usually stay at a Hotel on Katella and then walk through the GC to enter DD and head to the West Esplanade bag checks. Sounds like this may not work anymore?
It's probable. Might be better to go through DCA if you have a hopper.

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GrumpyGoofyGuy
11-06-2016, 12:44 PM
It's probable. Might be better to go through DCA if you have a hopper.

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They will let you enter at that entrance in the mornings when you are not staying at a Disney Hotel as I recall.

GrumpyGoofyGuy
11-06-2016, 01:19 PM
They will NOT let you enter at that entrance in the mornings when you are not staying at a Disney Hotel as I recall.

Correction. Why can't you edit posts?

candles71
11-06-2016, 02:28 PM
Correction. Why can't you edit posts? 30 minute cutoff for edits.

candles71
11-06-2016, 02:32 PM
2 things. I love this for the reason that I hated exiting to fo to Starbucks and having to go back in through the bag check when I had just been checked on the Harbor side. (Corporate store, free beverages etc.)
Second, will that mean the DtD stores will have to pull disallowed objects? I just (June) had to be walked across by security after 3 of the 8th grade boys decided to buy skateboards while in DtD.

olegc
11-06-2016, 03:01 PM
Correction. Why can't you edit posts?
You can for a short time after you enter it.

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Dave1313
11-06-2016, 03:23 PM
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Second, will that mean the DtD stores will have to pull disallowed objects? I just (June) had to be walked across by security after 3 of the 8th grade boys decided to buy skateboards while in DtD.

That's a really good point that I would imagine they will need to create some new rules/guidelines for. I think there are things you can buy in the parks/shops that you can't actually enter the parks with (glassware comes to mind).

While not an identical situation, last year when I was down at WDW for Food and Wine, I collected my pass-holder glass on my third day. I happened to be park hopping between Epcot and DHS. (DHS to Epcot, back to DHS). When I tried going through the bag check at DHS with my glass, I was told it was not allowed, I would have to check it. Being I was parked at DHS, I elected to put it in my car instead. After going to all the trouble to obtain it, I didn't feel checking a glass item was worth the risk of not receiving it back in one piece.

I sort of don't see them stopping selling stuff like that at the World of Disney store due to this change.

olegc
11-06-2016, 03:28 PM
That's a great example I think where they won't figure things out in advance. They will hVe to decide after it becomes a problem. It could be in favor of security though, which hampers the stores and they would have to put up signs saying "items not allowed" or they may just let guests deal with it.

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candles71
11-06-2016, 03:46 PM
I could see glassware. You can buy it in the parks afterall. The Skate shop may not survive. I know they sell clothing as well, but I wonder what percentage of their sales would be things like skateboards, that would be much harder to "police" inside the security area.
Hm. We only briefly walked through the Citywalk area in Orlando, so I can't recall what shops I even saw. I did love that security was before the Citywalk area. I also loved that it was all xray machines for bags and metal detectors for people. It was so fast.
I did notice that even being security in Orlando, rather than CMs, how well your bag was checked still varied by person.

bumblebeeonarose
11-07-2016, 10:39 AM
The article mentioned two other checkpoints near ESPN, presumably for hotels guests, but it seems to me that they would need a third where the Grand enters DTD. Don't people pay big bucks to stay at the Grand partly because it's so close to the esplanade? It would be odd to make them walk further away to go through security as they would lose the advantage. And just allowing them to enter DCA doesn't help if they want to go to DL, especially if they only have a one park pass. I hope they figure that out. As another poster mentioned, we've also walked through the Grand to get to the parks via DTD when staying at a hotel on that side of the parks.

I'm glad they're taking security seriously and it sounds like this is one more step along with the new gateway being built on the other side that will include security check points. But it does seem like there will be growing pains. And I have a feeling some of this is going to be a pain for guests. Yes, they won't have to re-enter security to go shopping or dining in DTD (or any new shops built along the new gateway), but guests may have to walk further to get access to the resort and find new routes.

olegc
11-07-2016, 10:59 AM
...but guests may have to walk further to get access to the resort and find new routes.

yeah- I can see that. How many parents have opted to keep their child in the stroller and walk back to Mickey and Friends. If that closes since they don't want to put in a check point there, that means you walk back to M&F through DTD. That's a long walk. I saw pictures today and it looks like they will repurpose part of Pinocchio in order to provide space for the security checkpoints as well as tram turnarounds. Interesting to note that NOW the original design of the parking spaces made sense. When M&F opened, the spaces were facing the opposite direction. You drove into the level and down the aisle and parked. The design now is to accommodate pedestrians in the lot as they move to the escalators. Now, it seems, you may go down the escalators and walk towards the back of the building in order to go through security. Who knows until they really build it - but looking at the current flow and what they are building it creates new questions.

currence
11-07-2016, 11:03 AM
Way too expensive, but it would be cool if they built new escalators on the other side of the structure and could then use the parking as originally stripped.

I noticed the construction in the surface lot - but it didn't occur to me at the time what it was for. There were a few barriers during the CHOC walk and a lot more when we went back for the DVC night.

pretty Omi
11-07-2016, 12:35 PM
It may become easier for them to simply ban crossing the esplanade with disallowed items - at least from these checkpoints. It's one thing if people can practically see their destination on the other side and become really upset that they aren't allowed. If people are turned away at or near their cars it will be a lot easier for Disney to simply tell them to put banned items back in their cars. On the other side, I could see Disney still crossing with guests if they can prove that they are staying on-site.

I've had a not allowed item, told them I just wanted to cross, and they had a guard escort me across without any further issue. Maybe they can still do something like that.

candles71
11-07-2016, 12:48 PM
I've had a not allowed item, told them I just wanted to cross, and they had a guard escort me across without any further issue. Maybe they can still do something like that.
That was the question. We have as well, but where you were talking a hundred yards or so, you would now be talking??? Almost a half-mile ish. (Someone good at distances will be along I am sure. ;)) Will they continue to tie up Security for that purpose? It changes response times to actual situations.

Berry Princess
11-07-2016, 03:35 PM
From what I gathered there was going to be one between ESPN and Earl. Then one between ESPN and Rainforests. The one at the M&Fs and one in the spot going out of the Grand into DTD. Which obviously there is places they will have to close up and secure better for this to all work in the end along DTD. And the one on Harbor nothing is changing.
As for taking luggage across the way, I have done it but it was a bag. While I did see a group of people one time being escorted along the way across because of how much they did have.
I know some aren't thrilled with this plan from what I read elsewhere, I know I think it is about time. It is a major pain to go out of the parks into DTD if you want then go back to the parks right now. It will make it easier for those wanting to run over to any stores or restaurants. It would be nice to see them put up better looking checkpoints with metal detectors for all to pass through.

olegc
11-07-2016, 03:58 PM
I think folks who stay at Paradise Pier or Dland Hotel should be prepared for some evening crowds at these checkpoints if there is a large group group of DTD attendees. It may be a trade off (u won't deal with M&F crowds at current bag check) but it will change the flow.

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adriennek
11-07-2016, 04:18 PM
Does this mean we would not be allowed to walk from the parking structure to the parks anymore? Or does it mean that we would have to go through multiple bag checks?

I'm sorry, I don't feel grateful that they're taking security seriously. I still think that it's a bit of a joke and a major annoyance. How many times will they consider enough?

olegc
11-07-2016, 04:36 PM
Does this mean we would not be allowed to walk from the parking structure to the parks anymore? Or does it mean that we would have to go through multiple bag checks?

I'm sorry, I don't feel grateful that they're taking security seriously. I still think that it's a bit of a joke and a major annoyance. How many times will they consider enough?

Its not clear. All Disney announced was a site between Earl and ESPN Zone, and a site between ESPN Zone and Rainforest Cafe, and the parking structure. SO - its hard to say whether there won't be access to walk - or they simply forgot to address it. (these days I lean towards the latter). The OC Register story also did not mentioned what would become of folks coming from GCH to DTD - though it would be easy enough to have a setup like the one going to DCA.