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Nfatuated
09-24-2001, 10:41 AM
I hope not to offend anyone. Does anyone know which days this festival of "happiness" will take place. I would like to try and avoid the park these days with no offense to those who practice an alternative lifestyle.

Andrew
09-24-2001, 10:45 AM
You'll find a (rather extensive) thread over in the Lounge on this topic. Dates are given near the beginning.

Haldwitten
09-24-2001, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by Nfatuated
I hope not to offend anyone. Does anyone know which days this festival of "happiness" will take place. I would like to try and avoid the park these days with no offense to those who practice an alternative lifestyle.

Gay Days this year will be held October 5 - 9. If you wish to avoid gay people in the park, I suggest you also avoid the park from October 10, 2001 through October 4, 2002. These are also days of the upcoming year a lot of gays may slip through the "Enchantment Detector" installed at the entrance. No offense to those who practice a rose-tinted lifestyle.

Morrigoon
09-24-2001, 03:24 PM
If you wish to avoid gays in the park... don't go.

There's never a day when there isn't a large population of gay visitors and CMs in the park. There are just days when they admit it openly, and days when you'd have to think about it.

This isn't Castro at Halloween people. There aren't men in drag hanging from lampposts or anything. It's just a bunch of people who independently go to the park, and all happen to favor the color red.

SimpTwister
09-24-2001, 03:28 PM
Heehee, funny stuff, Haldwitten.

Anyway, just curious, does that park tend to be unseasonably busy on Gay Days?

If so, that would qualify as a perfectly legitimate reason to avoid the park during this time...

Cadaverous Pallor
09-24-2001, 03:46 PM
Yes, the park usually gets busier on Gay Day, but this time it's a whole weekend, and may not be as busy as in former years, as it's more spread out.

MouseAdventure is that weekend, by the way, on the 7th. Just remember to only wear red if you feel like identifying yourself as gay....:)

thamnarestan
09-24-2001, 04:48 PM
Originally posted by Haldwitten

Gay Days this year will be held October 5 - 9. If you wish to avoid gay people in the park, I suggest you also avoid the park from October 10, 2001 through October 4, 2002. These are also days of the upcoming year a lot of gays may slip through the "Enchantment Detector" installed at the entrance. No offense to those who practice a rose-tinted lifestyle.

I don't think he said he wanted to avoid gay people in the park. He just wanted to avoid gay day. It's obvious that everyday there will be at least a few of these gay people inside Disneyland, but only during their gay days do they wear identifying clothing and stage events to celebrate themselves. I think all that he was saying is that he doesn't want to be around while that is going on.

EandCDad
09-24-2001, 06:42 PM
Just wanted to remind everyone that all these issues and discussions have been covered over and over and over and over and over and over again in this thread (http://mousepad.mouseplanet.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1708). No reason everyone can't state their points again, but just wanted to bring it to your attention.

Haldwitten
09-24-2001, 07:33 PM
Originally posted by thamnarestan


I don't think he said he wanted to avoid gay people in the park. He just wanted to avoid gay day. It's obvious that everyday there will be at least a few of these gay people inside Disneyland, but only during their gay days do they wear identifying clothing and stage events to celebrate themselves. I think all that he was saying is that he doesn't want to be around while that is going on.

True, all this has been covered before... but I want to thank those MousePad posters who have been so supportive and understanding over this sensitive topic.

Thamnarestan, by writing "there will be at least a few of these gay people inside Disneyland" you remind me of Archie Bunker pontificating from his wealth of experience. I'm still chuckling... oh if only you knew.

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"Marge, I like my coffee black, my beer cold, and my homosexuals f-lam-ing."

-Homer

thamnarestan
09-24-2001, 08:48 PM
The myth that homosexuals are everywhere at Disneyland as employees is simply untrue. Sure, a huge majority or Entertainment CMs are gay, but in the other departments, there are relatively few. At each location I have worked at, only one or two employees were gay, and I'd be willing to bet the same is true throughout the rest of the park.

Other Cast Members should be able to back me up on this.

Andrew
09-24-2001, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by thamnarestan
At each location I have worked at, only one or two employees were gay, and I'd be willing to bet the same is true throughout the rest of the park.

... that you know of. Perhaps they are perceptive enough to avoid revealing themselves to the less tolerant among us?

Haldwitten
09-24-2001, 09:21 PM
I am another Cast Member; I work in attractions, and I'm gay. Costuming policies prevent me and the other four gay people in attractions from wearing our usual feather boas and carry our purses. We're all desperately working for our transfer to Entertainment because apparently that's where we "belong." You know us and showtunes - we just can't help ourselves.

When I'm at work, I'm a Cast Member... not as you might refer to me as "one of those GAY Cast Members."

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to do my nails and curl my hair. I have a busy day tomorrow, and I want to look FA-BU-LOUS.

So many stereotypes... so little time.

Haldwitten
09-24-2001, 09:23 PM
Originally posted by Andrew


... that you know of. Perhaps they are perceptive enough to avoid revealing themselves to the less tolerant among us?

B-I-N-G-O. Thank you, Andrew.

thamnarestan
09-24-2001, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by Andrew


... that you know of. Perhaps they are perceptive enough to avoid revealing themselves to the less tolerant among us?

Honestly, I get along with homosexuals quite well. And I don't ever discuss my political views at work, so most people don't know about my opinion of gay people.

thamnarestan
09-24-2001, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Haldwitten
I am another Cast Member; I work in attractions, and I'm gay. Costuming policies prevent me and the other four gay people in attractions from wearing our usual feather boas and carry our purses. We're all desperately working for our transfer to Entertainment because apparently that's where we "belong." You know us and showtunes - we just can't help ourselves.



Funny, you didn't address the claim I made about the homosexual myth.

You know, even a gay CM one of my attractions has admitted to me in conversation that the myth is a lie. He said he wishes the myth were true, but there really aren't that many gay CMs at Disneyland, outside of Entertainment.

I didn't expect you, Haldwitten, to accept that fact, and you weren't one of the CMs I had in mind when I referred to other CMs supporting my claim.

Darkbeer
09-24-2001, 09:45 PM
So, one side wants the percentage to be bigger, the other side wants it to be smaller....

WHO CARES if it is 5%, 10%, 15%, 20%??????

Does the CM treat guests the way they have been trained, do they show up to work on time, and do their job, instead of finding ways to take extra breaks, those are the things that matter....

The only person who I hope is not Gay is Ariel, and that is for personal reasons;)

Haldwitten
09-24-2001, 09:56 PM
<sigh> I'm only responding on this thread because it kind of hurts to read, "I'm not going to the park because people like you are going to be there." That's a bitter pill to swallow.

I do not block my life out into "us" or "them." Disneyland is full of diversity - from its guests to its CM's. We're all just people.

This discussion is exactly the reason I tend to spend a little extra attention to guests with severe disabilities or children who aren't exactly "picture perfect." It's because there's a PERSON inside who has to deal with other people referring to them as a different "type" of person.

It's Disneyland... and I'm PROUD to be a part of this institution for that very reason. And I'm really glad that the people I work with on the Mountain are MUCH more supportive and understanding than Thamnerastan. They make me feel like I belong and am part of their "family" despite any differences. That's something I like to share with the guests.

adriennek
09-25-2001, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by Darkbeer

The only person who I hope is not Gay is Ariel, and that is for personal reasons;)

This reminds me of a story (ok, I've been watching too much playhouse Disney...)

I was walking through Disneyland a few weeks ago with two friends, one is a professional with the Disney organization. We spotted a very attractive male CM that this woman didn't know but the other friend and I have the great pleasure to know. (I'm pretty sure he he reads these boards, so I wonder if he's reading this thread. PM/e-mail me if you are and I'll tell you if it's you....)

The girl with us who works for Disney was quite interested in this CM. QUITE. I really don't blame her, I agree that he's an attractive fellow, but we knew that he would have NO interest in HER. We tried to be subtle "Uhm, no." "Sorry, hon, not gonna work," and made some other comments before we finally just had to tell the gal: "He's gay. Sorry." Needless to say she was very disappointed. Apparently this happens to her at work a lot.

But then again, I have many male friends who would see that same CM and be happy if I could tell them he's gay...

Adrienne K

merlinjones
09-25-2001, 09:26 AM
I hope the character department is smart enough to ensure that a Tarzan is on duty all weekend (they should let him accept tips!). Let's get some of the Princes and Peter Pan and Gaston going too...! C'mon people.

twistedmickey
09-25-2001, 02:08 PM
Gay Day is everyday at Disney...because if you arent happy there then GET OUT!!!!! My friend use to work at the Magic Kingdom and trust me when I say that Ariel is better off looking for another guy...if you know what I mean. ;)

Nfatuated
09-25-2001, 02:28 PM
WOW! how those that only see one way (gay in this matter) can misconstrue my comment. Haldwitten and morriGOON, what is your problem. i asked a simple question. i have no hostilities towards gays or lesbians. I know the park would be busy those days and simply wanted to avoid it. i live in Las Vegas, I work on a major resort 1/2 the work force is gay and no one thinks twice about it. Quit acting as though everyone wants to attack you, this quick to spout off at the mouth just makes you look like a moron.:confused:

Haldwitten
09-25-2001, 03:00 PM
Nfatuated... you asked a simple question, but your aside in referring to it as a "festival of 'happiness" came across to me as a bit snide. If you did not mean it this way, then I apologize. Please don't ever refer to me or any other member of this board as "sounding like a moron" again. It's an insulting attempt to invalidate our opinions and demonstrates your own lack of sensitivity to this topic.

Good day.

WizKidRyan
09-25-2001, 03:19 PM
It is sad to see how people respond to subjects such as this. I personally will be at Disneyland/California Adventure on October 6th. To me, this is just a normal day. I have several friends at school though that will not touch Disneyland with a 50ft pole between the 5th and the 9th, and it disappoints me that they think that. Oh well, it's their loss for not wanting to goto Disneyland :)

PhilMP
09-25-2001, 08:48 PM
I'm reminded of a news story a couple days ago about some airline pilots and passengers refusing to allow Middle Eastern people to fly with them. This resulted in an aircraft being diverted and making an unscheduled landing just so all the Middle Eastern passengers can be escorted off.

Sadly, many people on this board fall into the same category as the shallow, narrow-minded people who demanded that a certain group of people be humiliated and persecuted simply for being who they are. By stating the fact that you will not be in the park to the congregation of some fellow human beings who just happen to be different than you makes you just as bad as those who persecute Arabs for something that was out of their control.

My theory has been, and always will be, that people who are so opposed to homosexuality may just be insecure about their own sexual preferences.

As for me, if I'm scheduled to work on any of these days, I'll come in and work. If I'm not scheduled to work, I'll come in anyways to ride Nightmare Before Xmas.

Phil

WizKidRyan
09-25-2001, 09:00 PM
Originally posted by PhilMP
As for me, if I'm scheduled to work on any of these days, I'll come in and work. If I'm not scheduled to work, I'll come in anyways to ride Nightmare Before Xmas.

Phil

What do you work? I always enjoy putting a face with cast members from the various Disney related sites :)