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Gemini Cricket
06-26-2003, 06:55 AM
I couldn't agree more with Lani about how bad TSI and NOS looks. I'm really disappointed in Disney for turning that area into an arena.

I'm all for 'Pirates', but people not allowed into the premiere should not be subjected to how terrible the area looks, the blocked off areas, weird park hours and simply not being able to experience the theme of the area in full (think about it, today could be the first time someone has stepped foot into DL! Is this how you would have wanted your first visit to be?). Also consider that entrance tickets at a reduced cost was not even thought of.

'Bad Show' is right. (http://www.mouseplanet.com/more/mm030626lt.htm)

MammaSilva
06-26-2003, 07:29 AM
Wow... can you imagine if they had the movie coming out closer to the Birthday.. that would be the pits! I feel bad for anyone who planned their first ever trip to Disneyland and found that when they got there :mad:

Lost Boy
06-26-2003, 07:51 AM
This is just another glaring example of how litte regard the "Company" has for Disneyland. I really feel sorry for those people who are visiting the fabled Kingdom for the very first (and probably the last) time. Lower prices? You have to be kidding. I am surprised they didne't raise the prices to allow the "Public" to see all the construction. Sort of like they did with Eisner's pet (and now failed) project, Bountiful Farms, over at DCA. I am sure we all love paying to see a small farm with real corn and other stuff "growing" over there. Highlight of my day.:D

innerSpaceman
06-26-2003, 09:17 AM
Hahahahahahaha. Well, I do feel bad for the poor saps who had the lame idea of actually visiting Disneyland right when school gets out for the summer, but for myself - well, I think I'm gonna get to the Park at 6:30 am this Saturday just to see the godawful sights with my own peepers.

It's a calamity the likes of which I have never witnessed at the Park. If I didn't have something great to do Saturday night, I think it would be great sport to hang around City Hall that evening and watch the complaints roll in.

Lani
06-26-2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by innerSpaceman
I think I'm gonna get to the Park at 6:30 am this SaturdayWow. so early in the morning. Have a nice cup of coffee and enjoy the sounds of the chirping birds, yeah?

LibraryGirl
06-26-2003, 09:40 AM
Originally posted by MammaSilva
I feel bad for anyone who planned their first ever trip to Disneyland and found that when they got there :mad:

There were 3 people in my group that hadn't been to Disneyland in over 10 years. We were disappointed in the ugly grandstand of chairs for the premiere and the re-routing of people into the streets of NOS and the confusing maze of the POTC line.

Hubby called me in a tizzy on Monday afternoon saying they had closed NOS and they didn't know why. I had to give an educated guess on what was going on.

To boot.... our party coudn't make it to Fantasmic with the crew on Sunday (which I feel horrible about :crying: ) and we ended up missing it Monday and Tuesday nights.

[Moderator's note: vB code fixed around quoted material. -- Lani]

Disneyphile
06-26-2003, 10:44 AM
I'm going from 6:30am - midnight on Friday to check everything out. It should be interesting. (I'm also thrilled of being in the park for that long. Fun, fun, fun!) :fez:

After seeing the photos, I really feel sorry for those people who are seeing the park for the first time, or have paid a lot of money to take their vacations. Personally, I'll miss having an early breakfast at RBT while looking out at the river and TSI. (One of my fave morning things to do in the park.) To me, this really is an eye-sore, and a shame to do all of this just for an elaborate publicity stunt. I think this film will sell itself without all of this hassle - I've already heard people's comments while seeing the theatrical trailers, and it's already going to be a hit.

hazlnut
06-26-2003, 10:53 AM
Blame Jerry.

Producer Jerry Bruckheimer always has these types of Gala openings for his movies. Pearl Harbor premiered on the deck of an aircraft carrier.

This is the feature film division's summer 'event' or tentpole movie. The premier party serves two purposes: 1) stars and studio execs' egos 2) Entertainment Tonight and Extra crews at the premier will further promote and hype the film as a big must-see event. (not exactly free publicity given the cost of the party)

Here's what I don't understand. The theme parks used to be the bread and butter of the company. Has that changed? ABC is getting beat by FOX. The only really successful film division, Pixar, they don't even run. (and now they are going to pay through the nose to keep the domestic distribution and merchandise deal) Touchstone, Hollywood Pictures have all pretty much merged back into Buena Vista. The straight-to-video divsion turns a profit only because they crank those things out for next to nothing. They're selling off the stores. What gives?

I guess Jerry just means that much to the company. They have to give it to him.

stagedoorjonny
06-26-2003, 10:55 AM
I was there Wed. trying to get around was almost impossible. I was in NOS and CC from 8:00 to 9:00 and stayed out of the area for the rest of my half day. Trying to fit all the traffic in that little space and then add signs telling you to stay right, and some places even had rope to create the pathways. This weekend will be a joke to get around.

hefferdude
06-26-2003, 11:11 AM
Uh, I clicked on the link to 'Bad Show' and got a entire page of junk code. Same as trying directly from the picture on MP main page. Somebady offended by the article???:confused:

iceblue42
06-26-2003, 11:13 AM
Just a thought, but does anyone know if any parts of the park are going to be open for the "stars" during this media event? I know obviously the Pirates ride and of course the movie itself, but would any other part like 'Mansion or Splash be open so that the "stars" and their families can enjoy Disneyland without being mobbed by us "mortals"?:) ;) :D

cstephens
06-26-2003, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by iceblue42
Just a thought, but does anyone know if any parts of the park are going to be open for the "stars" during this media event? I know obviously the Pirates ride and of course the movie itself, but would any other part like 'Mansion or Splash be open so that the "stars" and their families can enjoy Disneyland without being mobbed by us "mortals"?:) ;) :D

From what I heard on the radio this morning, the entire park will be open after the film for those attending the event.

Andrew
06-26-2003, 11:16 AM
Originally posted by hefferdude
Uh, I clicked on the link to 'Bad Show' and got a entire page of junk code. Same as trying directly from the picture on MP main page. Somebady offended by the article???:confused:

No problems here. Try clearing your browser's cache.

halestorm
06-26-2003, 12:04 PM
These boards confuse me. Do you guys like Disney or not?

Yeah it's a minor inconvenience to guests but this premiere is a good thing. We will see stories about it on Extra, Entertainment Weekly, Access Hollywood, E! and all those showbiz type shows about the event. It will help promote the movie AND the park. Your killing two birds with one stone.

It may stink for first time visitors but I love this park, and I want the film to succeed because it could possibly help the park in the long run.

I see no problem with this event.

It makes sense to me that they would want to have some sort of movie event or premiere of a movie called, Pirates of the Caribbean, NEXT to the ride the film is based on, IN the park the ride is in.

Gemini Cricket
06-26-2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by halestorm
These boards confuse me. Do you guys like Disney or not?

That's a good question and you bring up a good point in your last post.

I can only speak for myself, I love Disneyland. I always have. But it's like a relationship with your best friend, some days are fun and some days you just throw your hands up in the air and get frustrated. So when improvements, additions, closures, changes occur with my 'best friend', my ears perk up.

I'm not saying there should be no changes nor any special events, what I'm saying is that the set up for this premiere has pretty much dominated a huge chunk of Disneyland. If the premiere was for everyone visiting the park, that would be great... a bonus even. But it's not. So, they close TSI, they take down lamp posts, the re-route traffic, they change the park hours... it's a huge incovenience to the average park goer. Disneyland is for everyone, not just the elite who can go to the premiere.

I think you make a good point in that this will cause a huge buzz about the film, but so would a premiere at the Hyperion (you know in the Hollywood area in DCA) where guests going to the premiere could have exclusive access to Pirates @ DL for the evening (maybe after 9pm). That's a better solution. Or have it at the Fantasyland Theatre and then march your exclusive guests to Club 33 and then over to Pirates.

But out in the open, in front of people who can't go... I feel sorry for the CMs who have to deal with telling people that they can't go to this event.

HBTiggerFan
06-26-2003, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by halestorm
These boards confuse me. Do you guys like Disney or not?

Most of us love Disney. We don't like the direction the company is going. This is the perfect example of the lack of "good show" the company has been exhibiting lately. Who cares what the first time guest thinks, we got a huge movie premiere to pull off. Who cares how much the one day ticket holder is inconvenienced, we have a celebrity movie premier to pull off.


Yeah it's a minor inconvenience to guests but this premiere is a good thing. We will see stories about it on Extra, Entertainment Weekly, Access Hollywood, E! and all those showbiz type shows about the event. It will help promote the movie AND the park. Your killing two birds with one stone.

Thats not the point. It is a major inconvenience to guests and horrible show to boot. Walk ways created by rope? That side of the park is already cramped when the park is crowded. This is inexcusable.


It may stink for first time visitors but I love this park, and I want the film to succeed because it could possibly help the park in the long run.

Those first time visitors may never return after seeing the horrible show, and early closing on a Saturday in June. It could easily do more harm than good.


I see no problem with this event.

It makes sense to me that they would want to have some sort of movie event or premiere of a movie called, Pirates of the Caribbean, NEXT to the ride the film is based on, IN the park the ride is in.

Well that's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. It makes sense to me also, however the timing sucks. If they wanted this type of premier it would have been much more appropriate to hold it during the off season, when hours are already shorter and crowds are smaller.

alohastichy
06-26-2003, 01:17 PM
If they've never been there before... how do they know it's bad show?!? :)

Honestly... yeah it's a pain, but so is Disneyland when they drain the Rivers of America. It sucks, but Disneyland is also open every day of the year (unlike most theme parks) ...

Oh...and it sucks too when they close HM to set up to make it super special for only those guests who can visit during x-mas time.

Let's see... yeah it sucked that they're building the Tower of Terror cause it's such an eyesore and noise problem for everyone visiting now.

Bad show? Bad show is not having signs or escorts around the area. Bad show is not telling anyone what's going on. They took the smallest amount of time to do this and in the long run it helps the park. Maybe not the visitors this week, but for the rest of the park's life.

NO ATTRACTIONS are closed for this...NONE... just some walkways and a show that's been dark all winter!

Doesn't anyone remember when they closed the whole area to build the walkway?!? Same thing, and the park didn't die for that.

So let some Disney execs in Burbank get excited about being a part of the magic...and some celebs too... oh and when everyone else sees the movie, they're instantly think of Disneyland :)

Disneyphile
06-26-2003, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by alohastichy
So let some Disney execs in Burbank get excited about being a part of the magic...and some celebs too... oh and when everyone else sees the movie, they're instantly think of Disneyland :)

You're one of those "glass half-full" folks, aren't ya? :p

I am too, but in this case, I also see the glass is half full of.......


Pooh. He's such a silly ol' bear. :D

Lani
06-26-2003, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Gemini Cricket
...a premiere at the Hyperion (you know in the Hollywood area in DCA) where guests going to the premiere could have exclusive access to Pirates @ DL for the evening (maybe after 9pm)... Or have it at the Fantasyland Theatre and then march your exclusive guests to Club 33 and then over to Pirates.Excellent ideas, all!

Locke Aidan
06-26-2003, 02:36 PM
I'd just like to note that without FastPass, the counts at Pirates seem to be a lot higher than normal. Plus the wait time's usually about 5-10 minutes all the time. Very nice. I'm actually surprised and pleased with how this is turning out. Yes, it's bad show, but if the park couldn't get out of it, at least it's turning out well. It's creative and well thought out, and I applaud Resort management for figuring this mess out.

dav
06-26-2003, 02:53 PM
Does this seem like a new and strange thing? A fitting, special and unheard of, kind of premier? Somebody tell me when this has been done before, because I think it is very exciting. Walt loved to draw focus and attention to DL as much as he could, with his hour long comercials building the park as he did. Maybe this is the proper stride we are not used to seeing, at least in this magnitude.

-dav

Kayoss
06-26-2003, 03:49 PM
Okay.....listen. Even if some out of town family drives down to Disneyland not knowing about the premiere, and drives into the parking lot...there, clear as day, IN THE PARKING LOT are the posting operating hours of Disneyland, hours 6:30AM to 6PM. This is also on all the main ticket booths.

They have the option to go "oh my, let's come back tomorrow, or oh gosh, let's go and have our 8 hours."

Most people don't plan their vacations around only one day.

Granted, I'm actually going to the premiere as an invited guest (and I'm nearly peeing my pants with excitement) so I have a biased opinion. But this WILL really impress people outside of LA when they see it on those entertainment shows and the tabloids. It WILL generate interest in the movie and the park. And you can bet there will be a whole bunch of people at Disneyland who will be thrilled to death to be at the same place as a big Hollywood premier. Not to mention the chance to see us dorks walk down the red carpet. This will literally 'make the trip' for just about any out-of-towner as evidence by the thousands and thousands of people who line up outside every Chinese Theater premiere.

Really, the only people it will bug are the non-invited LA folks who could care less about these sort of things. But they can go to Disneyland any time. Why choose a Saturday in summer anyway?

This is a once-in-a-lifetime thing. And it's only for one day. Please people, lighten up.

Mr. Fusion
06-26-2003, 03:56 PM
We ALL know how much of an 'inconvenience' this event is creating, (and yes, I'm aware that's the understatement of the summer,) but one factor has been left out of this thread.

If you stop to think about it, where are all the crowds already? Yep, that's right, around each land adjacent to ROA. Space Mountain's ongoing 'refurbishment' (okay, THAT's the understatement of the year!) and the lack of E-ticket attractions leaves Tomorrowland desertted in comparison to the rest of the park.

Now, take out your mental maps of DLR we've all memorized and point out the other key attractions most guests enjoy repeatedly. Most of those attractions lie near or adjacent to ROA. Yes, there are a few exceptions like the Matterhorn and Star Tours. However, they were just asking for trouble when you combine the incredible drawing power of rides like Indiana Jones, PofC, HM, BTMR, and SM with the advertising blitz of Winnie the Pooh and rerouted congestion from Tomorrowland.

I have this sinking feeling that TDA might do this all over again when the Haunted Mansion movie is released. Let's hope my intuition is wrong for a change!

-Mr. Fusion

dshimel
06-26-2003, 04:03 PM
First, your biggest fans will always be the most outspoken critics. Why? The people that don't care, don't bother. Only the people that love the place will care enough to speak out when they see something they don't like.

Second, I don't think anyone believes that the premier won't help the movie, at least a bit. The question is, what are Disney's priorities? Is the park a priority? Is the film a priority? Is quality and long term fan loyalty still a goal, or is all about the buck that might be made this quarter?

Was it, "Screw the park guests, making 100-200 Hollywood insiders happy is our #1 priority"? Was it "This film is going to suck so badly that we have to get every bit of press we can, becuase we need a huge opening weekend, because once word of mouth gets out we're doomed"? With the amount of advertising being done for this movie, I fear it is the last one.

I think that Kevin Yee's article today on MiceAge nails it. Investor expectation is unrealistic. Disney management has to try "anything" to try to meet investor expectation, or the stock will be hammered and they'll all be out of their jobs. As a result, long term guest satisfaction is not a priority. Making a couple million extra dollars from this movie is what is important.


Was Disney really offering Hillary Duff $30K an episode when 2 other networks were offering her $100,000+ per episode? That is what her mom claims. Seems to me that Disney has gotten penny wise and pound foolish. They are focusing on cost savings as a means of fixing revenue loss, not realizing that cost savings is a significant factor leading to revenue loss. They crank out lots of junk movies, then don't understand why thier few gems get lost in the clutter. They target new audiences, then don't understand why their traditional fans don't show up. They flail about trying to increase revenue, and all the flailing about just costs them their traditional fans.

This movie premier at DL seems like a bit more flailing about. Screw the effects on the known fan base, let's do whatever it takes to get people into the theater to see this one movie. It would be different if fans could see the movie in the park. Instead, you rub thier noses in what they can't have, while taking away what they paid for, and pretned they should expect to be treated like they don't count.

halestorm
06-26-2003, 04:13 PM
Let me take just a second to go off topic:


Not to mention the chance to see us dorks walk down the red carpet.

What do you mean by this? Can people watch the stars come in? If so my wife is in LOVE with Orlando Bloom and a chance to see him would be cool for her. (And for me since I'm a LOTR geek)

I read that he was not coming, but the "Bad Show" Article today said that he was looking for to going on the ride as he has never been on it before.

Sorry back on topic: