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    Shrek snags the Oscar

    So Katzenburg beats the MouseHouse. It must be pretty satisfying for him. My congrats go out to Jeffery and his team over at Dreamworks. I hope Eisner was watching.
    Nathan Lane was a great presentor for the first Academy Award for feature animation. His joke about "Disney smiling if he wasn't frozen solid was pretty funny." Then when he shook the guy's hand he was wearing giant Mickey hands. It was great.
    Since it was the first time for this catagory I thought they should have done a little feature animation history, but at least Walt was mentioned.

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    I thought Nathan Lane did an excellent job in presenting the award and I was torn I loved both movies.....the CGI in Shrek was awesome, but the 'kid" in me loved Monsters Inc....I have a soft spot for Billy Crystal...

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    I was pulling for Shrek. Had it been up against Toy Story II, or even Toy Story it would have been a different story though. Against Bug's Life it would have been a tough call. But against Monsters Inc. I have to go with Shrek. I liked Monsters Inc., but the adult innuendos in Shrek, really cracked me up.
    The, "So, where do I find this Farhquad" almost killed me. And still so far above the kids head. I thought it was great. Plus the non-stop Disney referances were very funny. I loved when the rubberheaded CM was running for his life, but he wouldn't cross the queue ropes. It still cracks me up.


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    Wow was that a slap in the face to Disney or what? First time there is an academy award specifically for animation and Disney LOSES.

    If you ask me, it serves em right for all that sequel tripe they've been putting out recently.

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    Originally posted by Hyperboy
    Wow was that a slap in the face to Disney or what? First time there is an academy award specifically for animation and Disney LOSES.
    I think you are reading way too much into it, although that seems to be a common mistake when it comes to fan reactions to the Academy Awards. It wasn't a "slap in the face to Disney". It was simply that a larger number of members of a certain group of voters happened to like one film over the other.

    I'm sure that Disney/Pixar would have liked to have won the Oscar, but I would imagine that the $500 million or so that "Monsters, Inc." made at the worldwide box-office dulled the sting quite a bit. That is what the studios ultimately really care about the most and winning that particular Oscar wasn't going to have much impact on either "Shrek" or "Monsters, Inc." financially.

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    When I first heard about the new category honoring best animated feature film, I was happy, and glad that they are deciding to recognize the art form.

    In the future, I hope that this award will give Disney a new inspiration to make better animated films. Having just seen The Hunchback of Notre Dame 2, I know that they'd better do some something before next year if they plan on getting the award. I know that Return to Neverland isn't going to cut it, and Country Bears is going to be live action. I hope Lilo and Stitch is a big success, or that they will have another theater success this coming year. If not, Ice Age will probably win. Ice Age was a great movie, and a great follow-up to Shrek, but for legacy's sake, I hope Disney wins this award.


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    Originally posted by JeffG
    I would imagine that the $500 million or so that "Monsters, Inc." made at the worldwide box-office dulled the sting quite a bit. That is what the studios ultimately really care about the most and winning that particular Oscar wasn't going to have much impact on either "Shrek" or "Monsters, Inc." financially.
    Have to disagree there, JeffG. Shrek has already cleaned up both at the box office and home vid. I think there are like 6 people out there who haven't yet purchased Shrek who will now run out to get it after it's big win. In other words, Shrek has already been about as big a home vid hit as it could be, and it's Monsters, Inc. that could have really capitalized on the Oscar boost for its home vid prospects. Not that it's going to be a dud seller by any means, but an Oscar win would have really helped the initial marketing push.

    Still, my congrats to Shrek. It was a great year for live action and animated films alike, with more than one nominee in each best pic category that truly qualified for that best picture nod.

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    Have to disagree there, JeffG. Shrek has already cleaned up both at the box office and home vid. I think there are like 6 people out there who haven't yet purchased Shrek who will now run out to get it after it's big win.
    I have no plans to purchase Shrek now or at any time in the foreseeable future. Heck, I don't even care to see it. Ever.
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    Boo! As much as I liked Shrek, I still liked Monsters, Inc. better.


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    Originally posted by innerSpaceman
    I think there are like 6 people out there who haven't yet purchased Shrek who will now run out to get it after it's big win.
    So who are the other 5? I haven't seen Shrek, let alone purchase a copy of it. I was just never interested. Currently have no plans to run anywhere.

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    Well we bought Shrek, I loved it, but I will be standing in front of Best Buy the day Monsters Inc is released going "open open open" we loved it as well....the animation catagory was actually the only one I was "torn" about, all the others I had a clear favorite, some of which won and some didn't, but I was so glad to see Randy Newman recognized for his contribution, I love his work!

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    The oscars have nothing to do with which film is a "better" film (though in this case, I DID like Shrek more than Monsters, Inc.). It is all about politics, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

    I mean, I was glad for Randy Newman that he finally won but he was winning for a body of work, not for this song in particular. He was snubbed so many times that the Academy went well, what the hell, lets give it to him this year. (hehe you can also tell that I was rooting for Enya to win)...

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    Originally posted by Hyperboy
    It is all about politics, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.
    I'm a movie buff and have been following the Oscars and other similar awards for years. I think >way< too much is made of the "political" aspect of these awards and that some people (generally fans) are much too quick to imagine some sort of a mass mind that selects what films do or don't win.

    The truth is that the awards represent the plurality opinion of a bunch of people that work (or have previously worked) in the movie industry in some capacity or another. It is essentially a poll and, like any other poll, those casting their votes all have their own tastes, preferences, and prejudices.

    Obviously, the Oscar advertising campaigns can have a fair amount of influence on which films the voters are aware of and eventually end up seeing. In addition, personal and professional relationships almost certainly can have some influence over what selections are made as well.

    In the end, though, the choices ultimately boil down primarily to what films/performances were most widely seen and which ones those issuing their votes liked best.

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    Uhhh yea. In other words, it's political.

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    I think the reason why Shrek won Best Animated Feature is simple: it brought back a lot of the fast-moving comedy style that made the Warner Brothers cartoons so famous, though of course the comedy in the movie is a bit more risqu compared to those Warner Brothers shorts.

    I think if you're 50 years old or more, you have have heard of the legendary Borscht Belt comedians that plied their trade in the Catskill Mountains resorts in northern New York state during the 1920's to 1950's. Shrek borrows a lot from this style, to say the least--the fast-moving, wise-cracking style of Donkey (voiced by Eddie Murphy) owes a lot to those legendary comedians.

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    Originally posted by Uncle Dick

    I have no plans to purchase Shrek now or at any time in the foreseeable future. Heck, I don't even care to see it. Ever.
    Oh, uncle Dick!

    You really should see it. You might be pleasantly surprised. It's better than anything Disney has done in the last few years.

    Heck, it was written by the same guys who wrote Aladdin.

    Just because it isn't Disney doesn't mean you need to be so loyal you deprive yourself of a really good film, with a lot of heart.

    When was the last animated film where the Screenplay was nominated for an oscar? Toy Story. Before that Beauty and the Beast.

    I would put Shrek in their company.
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    Here's the thing...

    Monsters Inc was cute enough, but its main thing it had going for it was the animation of fur. From a pure animation standpoint, it could have won. BUT, the category is best animated FILM, and the film as a whole is judged. Storyline, characters, humor, pacing, etc. As an overall film, Shrek was the better choice. I think the academy voting was pretty right on in this case. Had there been a separate Oscar for animation technique, then I would have been pulling for Monsters there.

    Shrek was able to reach all levels of its audience - it had the physical and slapstick humor for the kiddies, as well as the more subtle jokes and obscure references that draw in the adult audience. It was a better overall film. If you took the fact that it was animated out of the picture and just judged them as films, Shrek was the better of the two. Just as you'd judge a comedy or drama as an overall film, not as a "live-action" film. To some extent, you do need to consider the animation aspect, but it's just part of the entire package, not the be-all and end-all of the category.

    I don't think Shrek was voted the winner *specifically* to slap Disney in the face, but that said, the fact that Dreamworks is making better animated films and the audience is recognizing it SHOULD be something of a slap in the face for them. It should NOT have happened, and only has because Disney is getting cheap and lazy. They could have kept Katzenberg years ago, but chose to make an enemy of him and it's coming back to bite them because Katzenberg took all his Disney skill and knowledge and is now using it to beat Disney at their own game. I say, yay Katz!

    It's kind of like how Disney keeps laying off the imagineers and other companies are picking them up and doing the great work Disney is now too cheap to do. They're throwing away their market edge. Many of the animators and imagineers would have LOVED to be/stay with Disney if Disney didn't treat them so poorly. But all that talent is going to companies who actually want to do the great work that Disney pioneered.

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    Originally posted by Morrigoon
    Monsters Inc was cute enough, but its main thing it had going for it was the animation of fur. From a pure animation standpoint, it could have won. BUT, the category is best animated FILM, and the film as a whole is judged. Storyline, characters, humor, pacing, etc. As an overall film, Shrek was the better choice. I think the academy voting was pretty right on in this case. Had there been a separate Oscar for animation technique, then I would have been pulling for Monsters there.
    I disagree that the biggest thing "Monsters, Inc." had going for it was the fur animation. Yes, that was awesome, but I thought there was so much more. As a film, I thought "Monsters, Inc." was by far the superior film.




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    Originally posted by Matterhorn Fan
    So who are the other 5? I haven't seen Shrek, let alone purchase a copy of it. I was just never interested. Currently have no plans to run anywhere.
    I can't say that Shrek has ever interested me. In fact I found the commerical annoying. I may rent it one of these days for curiosity sake, but I can think of alot of other movies I would rather see.

    On a side note, I expect to see more adult-themed animation in the future as a result of it's win.
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    Exactly. At first I wasn't interested (I'd seen the trailers, thought that the animation wasn't very good looking, and frankly, I'm tired of Mike Meyers doing that accent). Then, everyone kept saying how great it was, and I was a little interested, but evidently not too interested, since I never made any effort to see it while it was in the theaters. Then once they started showing commercials for the video release I'd had really had enough of all the hype.


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    Originally posted by Uncle Dick

    I have no plans to purchase Shrek now or at any time in the foreseeable future. Heck, I don't even care to see it. Ever.
    That's a shame. It's a lot of fun!

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