This to comment on culture and space- One attraction that defintely shows Americans and there need for space is Crush. I attend by myself and when I enter the room/hallway that is the holding area before each show the crowd is spaced out, leaving gaps between each group of like folks. These gaps between people, (large enough to weave about) make the waiting crowd extend usually to the entrance. So I weave without any physical contact to within 6 feet of the door. I do get looks as though I am crowding. When the CM comes out and asks everyone to bunch forward the room comes to 1/3 full. Contrast that to how long we stand shoulder to shoulder before the fireworks start.
I think the difference in reactions between F! and RSR / other line holding is about expectations. If I see a couple of folks on a blanket, I expect the blanket will be filled and position myself accordingly. If I see 3 people in line, I expect them to be 3 people, not 10. The space issue for me at F! was that I expected dd could sit and watch, but then she had to stand. It wasn't bad, it just feels less than great to have an expectation and have it not met.
Crush is one where I've never understood why people space out in the waiting area - and I'm as space conscious an American as you get. Dudes, it is a line. Make it a line! Not a bunch of small groups hanging out! Whatever, doesn't really matter where you sit anyway, it is Crush and you can see from everywhere.
Jedi Training is another one I can never figure out the routine on, no matter how many times we do it. We use the kid sitting area as a waiting area for the whole group until things start to pick up, normally eating something, and then we have any and all grownups in our party back up to either the back of the area or up to the upper seating if it is busy so that other kids can scootch in at the last minute. But sometimes we get evil looks for sitting there at all, and sometimes other parents will stay down in the front even when it is packed with kids. I don't know what the right protocol is, so we just do our best.
I hate line holding because I feel like I'm making everyone mad - and who wants to do that at Disney - but I've never felt bad about sitting on a blanket and waiting for a group and I've never felt bad about leaving a group eating on a blanket and dashing for fastpasses. But somehow cutting in front of people in a line held by a few would feel awful. Then again, the longest lines we waited in on our last trip were 25 minutes. My world view may change with Carsland!
I weave around in the Crush waiting area because I like sitting to the far left up by the exit door. Few people sit in that area and if a large group makes over that area, I can find another empty row. I also like being the first one out the door to avoid waiting to exit. I guess I want to be in early for mental health and comfort of sitting for a few more mintues instead of at the rear of the line. It is my resting area and I extend my life by laughing during Crush.
Angie2009- You can add us to those parents who sit with their kids at Jedi Training Academy. We stay with them the whole time we are there. We realize we don't have to, but we also realize that the boys are too young to sit there alone, even if we can see them. Perhaps when they are older we'll watch from the seated area while they sit on the floor, but for now, we'll be with them even though sitting on concrete is very painful for my RA riddled hips.
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Six years ago when we were a party of eight, two of us didn't get in the line at the same time, when we met our party in the line (switch backs) we would talk to each other, finally the people in front told us that at the next switch back for us to go under the bar and join our party. We live in a culture that it use to be that you never cut in front of any one so we felt quilty doing it. On another ride once again we were split and we did cut in front but each time we asked the people if it was okay by them. People smiled or laughed at us and told us to go ahead.
We had the line saving issue happen to us while lining up at GCH before early entry. Now at the end of the day, it wasnt a big issue, but I also couldn't see myself doing this.
One guy got down early (before we got there at 6:15 with our full group.). They moved the line right up to the turnstiles at about 6:40 at which point approximately 10 people pushed (yes, pushed pregnant me) out of the way to join their party. To make it worse, as we were all wedged up at the turnstiles, members of this group were calling up to rooms to get the rest of the group down in time.
Just baffles me that people think this is acceptable behavior. Whenever the group of people joining a queue outnumbers the one(s) holding space, it's not right.
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I can't stand the blatant line cutters (generally groups of teens!) but I don't have such an issue when lines are long and especially they are easily accessible (like for instance TSMM, I admit I have joined later than my party when it was last night and last ride and the kids were hungry (I literally was unable to do the food run during WOC, I tried). Or when Pirates line is outside and long, etc. When the line is long (esp longer than 45 or 60 mins), when a kid is tired/hungry/having a meltdown etc.Yeah, 1 person holding a physical space for 10 people when they expect those folks coming late to be able to trample on others is so rude. I know the Grand scenario you are talking about. We ran into that last year one morning and it was irritating when folks cut in front of my group (me, my three kids and my sil and her little guy). My sil is pretty non-confrontational and I had to literally tell folks that they cut in the middle of our group and could they please let her up with me. They acted put out, but I don't really care, in my specific instance I HAD to keep my group together as we HAVE to enter together and get our hopper tix from the CM who needs to see everyone in one group.We had the line saving issue happen to us while lining up at GCH before early entry. Now at the end of the day, it wasnt a big issue, but I also couldn't see myself doing this.
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I take line cutting very seriously. Everyone in that line paid the same ticket price, so what right do you have to cut in front of all these other people?
You DON'T have any such right.
Now if you're holding the spot for a group of people, at least be curteous to those behind you and let them know when they join the line.
This reminds me of my time in NYC in January. We joined some friends in line for standing room only tickets for a play. They had already told the people behind them that they were expecting four more people. It worked out fine, we were in line and the people behind us weren't unhappily surprised when four more college kids joined the front of the line.