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    New DCL gratuity payment schedule implemented

    Due to the success of a pilot program on Disney Magic and positive feedback from guests, DCL is introducing the auto-application of gratuities on all Disney ships.

    The process will create a more seamless experience for guests by automatically charging folios on embarkation day with the suggested gratuity amounts for the Server, Assistant Server, Head Server and Stateroom Host/Hostess.


    Below are the effective dates:

    Disney Dream - Date to be announced

    Disney Fantasy - April 21, 2012

    Disney Magic - Already in place

    Disney Wonder - April 22, 2012

    Guests can add pre-paid gratuities at the time of booking or when processing final payment. If the pre-paid gratuities have not been added prior to boarding, guests will receive a letter upon check-in explaining the automatic charge to their onboard account. Guests still have the option to modify or add additional gratuity amounts, or pay in cash, by stopping by the Guest Services Desk onboard.

    As a reminder, a 15% gratuity is automatically added to any bar, beverage, wine and deck-service receipt.

    MaryK@CruisingCo.com

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    That sounds like a GREAT improvement! I was always amazed at the lines to add the tips on the last day!

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    I know that some may not like the idea of an auto-gratuity system. However, never been on a Disney ship where I did not feel like more than the recommended amounts were in order with the excellent service.

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    I don't like this! Here is why. For the most part I have had steller service on DCL. However, I have had two cast members in tipped positions that were pretty rotten. In both cases I had already tipped (pre-paid) in advance. I was in vacation mode. I did not wish to deal with going to guest services and explaining my reason for adjusting the tips. Admittedly, I took the lazy way out and left the tips as is. (I have also always added to my prepaid tips for every other CM I have prepaid tips for.) It was because of this experince that for our DCL coming up in May that I was not going to prepay my tips. While I know I can talk with guest services and managment and adjust tips and get issues solved the fact is when I'm on vacation I don't want to play police for Disney. Yes, I know if I don't say somthing they can't fix it but sometimes I just want to enjoy my limited time with my family and overlook the fact that a CM is not doing their job correctly at that moment in time. (I do let them know on the form at the end of the cruise.) It would be nice if Disney let me decide what I think ones service is worth since this is after all a "gratuity."

    I also find the whole speech about filling out the end of the cruise forms with outstandings really annoying! I have had this told to me by each and every serving team we have encountered on DCL. I get that servers are rated, get promotions, and time off basied on these forms but I find it a major buzz kill at the end of my cruise to sort of be begged for high marks. I have to fill out preformance evaluations at work all the time. I really don't want to watch another dining room floor and evaluate CM's while I'm on vacation.

    Before you think I'm some horrible non-tipper person let me point out that I'm currently working as a head server in a resort town hotel. I know what it is like to work for tips. I also have seen steller server blow off guest when they know they will be getting auto-tips on large parties or certian groups we get where the tips are included. One of the reasons I have been willing to pay the extra cost a Disney Cruise is over other lines is the steller service. I fear this may decrease if service positions knows they are pretty much going to make a tip regardless. I'm sure most will still do their jobs but will they go that extra step to provide the magic?

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    I can see your point, Mily. But if you don't pay ahead of time, you'd have to wait to add the tip to your account, so if it's less than stellar, you can still wait in line to decrease the tip. (Though I like to pay cash for tips, so I'd have to wait in line to be able to continue to do that!)

    I DO agree about not wanting to deal with CMs shortcomings on YOUR vacation. I'm glad you did include the info on the comment card - so the Powers that be ARE aware of things that need to be dealt with.

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    I've had a couple cruises where I've waited until I'm onboard to take care of gratuities, and a couple others where the gratuities were prepaid. Honestly, I like the convenience of prepaid gratuities a lot more, and it still provides the option to add a little something extra for stellar service.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drince88 View Post
    I can see your point, Mily. But if you don't pay ahead of time, you'd have to wait to add the tip to your account, so if it's less than stellar, you can still wait in line to decrease the tip. (Though I like to pay cash for tips, so I'd have to wait in line to be able to continue to do that!)

    I DO agree about not wanting to deal with CMs shortcomings on YOUR vacation. I'm glad you did include the info on the comment card - so the Powers that be ARE aware of things that need to be dealt with.
    I was going to bring cash and put it in their tip envelopes personally handing it to them on the last night. This way I would have avoided the line at guest services. My reason is silly but I perfer to pay cash for tips because I loath coming home to a visa bill after vacation. I'll adjust and just pay off my account in cash before the cruise ends. If there is a charge on the visa it's more often then not to book another DCL. This won't stop me from DCL cruises I'm just not wild about the new policy.

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    I am really super duper NOT in favor of this. I think we stood in line the first cruise we took, but then after just filled out the form and dropped it off at GS the last full day of the cruise. The tickets were delivered to our cabin. If there was a short line when we took the form to GS we'd stand in line and do it then. I'm hoping service desn't suffer, but knowing you've got a guaranteed amount coming in tips may make some folks less likely to keep up the Disney standard. I hope the Crew prove me wrong. Leaving less or more than the suggested amounts should be my prerogative as a customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karin View Post
    ...but knowing you've got a guaranteed amount coming in tips may make some folks less likely to keep up the Disney standard.
    Some people felt this way when the first version of the dining plan at the parks included tip. The servers were going to get their x amount regardless. (And in a lot of cases, service did suffer or at least started to trail off before they changed the DDP to not include tips.)

    A gratuity should be voluntary. When it is not, might as well call it a service charge.

    But someone can correct me if needed, but I think that many of the CM's on the ship are compensated solely through the tips. Can someone confirm? (Keep in mind, you are talking about a ship that does not fly under the American flag, so labor laws are different...)
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    My understanding is the tipped postions DO get a small hourly wage in addition to the tips, but that their tips make up the bulk of their pay. And by small I mean, like, $2-3/hr.

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    That is what I thought too. Which 1) makes it even more important to thank people with a larger gratuity and 2) still gives some merit to the possibility that knowing gratuity is automatic may yield in lesser service.

    We shall see in a short period of time....

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    I just wanted to post that I got off The Dream yesterday and gratuities were not added automatically yet.

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    OK, I'll admit, I'm one of the people who wasn't terribly bothered by this change. In 20+ cruises we've only once had a situation where we may have wanted to under-tip someone, and in that particular case the situation was so bad that we requested to be moved to a different dining rotation and a better server. Given that we almost always pre-pay our gratuities and almost always add cash to the envelope above that minimum amount, this new policy doesn't really change anything for me.

    And then we went on the Hawaii cruise, and I can't tell you how many times I thought back to this thread and this topic. This was the second sailing on the Wonder where tips were automatic. We had already pre-paid our gratuities, but the check in desk CMs had a flyer explaining the change to any passengers who had not pre-paid.

    For the first time ever, we had a situation where we had to decide what to do about the tip we'd already pre-paid, in this case for our head server. What do we do? Do we go to Guest Relations and have his tip lowered? Do we want to deal with the inevitable questions? Do we want to deal with the inevitable reaction to the answers to those questions? Is it worth the time for $15? You know they're going to have an officer contact us - do we want that hassle? Do we just let it go?

    I'll save the gory details for another time, but it was bad, really bad, and we weren't in a position where we could easily avoid it. Had it been a stateroom host, we could have asked for another one (it's not common, but it can be done). Had it been our server team we would have requested a new table assignment, but our servers were actually really good AND we were one of just two tables in their section during our seating. (The ship wasn't very full, and most sections were light). We didn't want to leave them and deprive them of our tip just because the head server was so bad.

    Initially we decided to let it go - we don't really *need* the head server to do anything for us, so his behavior was more annoying than anything - but we ran into a food and beverage manager we know from past cruises and he asked us how everything was going. I decided to be honest and tell him what was going on. In the long run, that was probably the better move for us. It brought the problem to the attention of the person who needed to watch for it, and hopefully they'll be able to monitor the situation to give this HS the training he needs to come up to Disney standards. He's new to Disney - apparently had only been on the ship for 8 weeks by our cruise - and he needs a good soaking in Pixie Dust.

    So now I'm really torn on this policy. I can understand from Disney's perspective why this change is good for them, as it's definitely going to help with crew morale if the overall tip level goes up. But I also worry about the impact on service, especially since there is no non-confrontational way to adjust your tips once onboard. I overheard some passengers talking after they had lowered the tip for their stateroom host, and they were complaining that they had then been contacted several times by the hotel manager, asking if there was anything he could do to make them happier. That's NOT good for passenger morale, and that is going to show up in the surveys.

    I wonder if they are delaying implementation on the Dream so they can compare results - use the Dream as a "control" to see how tip levels and survey results compare.

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    AVP thanks for the honest feedback.

    I wanted to add that on our recent Dream cruise 5/6. We were a party of two adults & only ate in the main dining rooms twice. We had one dinner and bruch planned at Palo before boarding. We added Palo again the last night because honestly our service team in the main dining room sort of got on our nerves. They were not bad. They got the job done but one was overly fake friendly to the point it became a joke between us and the table next to us that perhapes this server had a stash of extra pixie dust running through his system. I'm all for Disney pixie power but this was really annoying. The guy at the table next to us told us he reminded him of the character Fez from that 70's show when all the characters on the show are sitting in the basement circle. He sort of nailed what we were thinking as well. His assistant was just okay. For the first time ever I just tipped the standard for the servers. Again, it wasn't bad just not the Disney service I'm use to on DCL.

    I also don't like "telling" on somone. I'm perfectly capable of inquiring the needs of management intervention if I feel the situation warrants it. However, when Im on vacation sometime I just want to enjoy my vacation and let it go. I think it is within a guest rights to determine what a service is worth to them. It should not be an ordeal or interrogation to lower a gratuity. In our situation our service wasn't bad just not our style. I would never knock down a tip for that or get him in trouble with management for it. Yet, I will say it was a let down because I know our service on DCL has been loads better then what we encountered here.

    We had amazing service in Palo and all three time we had the same server so I have to assume he was happy with the gratuities we left. In fact he was the one who managed to get us into Palo on the last night when we mentioned to him at brunch that we had tried to add a night but were unable to get a reservation.

    I do hope that DCL is able to find a system that works without putting guest on the spot when it comes to the automatic gratuity issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momof three View Post
    I also don't like "telling" on somone. I'm perfectly capable of inquiring the needs of management intervention if I feel the situation warrants it. However, when I’m on vacation sometime I just want to enjoy my vacation and let it go.
    Agreed, and that's why we were so conflicted on what to do here. The problem was essentially that he wasn't doing his JOB, but is that really MY job to monitor? This was a head server, and our table didn't need any special attention, so his performance didn't impact US. However, had we been dining with a different group who did have need of the services a head server is supposed to provide, it would have been a very different story and we would have spoken up the first night.

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    It should not be an ordeal or interrogation to lower a gratuity.
    Absolutely. I honestly believe that people will avoid the confrontation required to lower a gratuity onboard, but they'll take it out in the comment cards. I will say that this was the least-positive comment card I've ever completed, and I went into great detail in the online survey.

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    Slight derail -- What services IS a Head Server supposed to provide? I know if someone has a birthday/whatever they deal with that (?) but other than that, he's just been a guy that (in theory) comes by and checks on your table each night. Personally, I don't tip the manager at a restaurant at home, so I always thought it was silly of me to be tipping the head server on a cruise. My second cruise I couldn't have picked our head server out of a line up, though I think my sister did notice/interact with him a time or two when he came by to check. I was busy talking with others at our table - huge shock there, I know.)

    And I totally think you're right about the comment cards. If it's something they can fix or do something for me at the time, I'll bring it to someone's attention - or if it's bad and I DO want to talk to an officer about it, I'll do that too - but other than that, I'd just go with the flow on the standard tip and take it out on the comments.

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    A head server has a lot of roles. Their primary job is as the manager of your server team, and ensuring that they are doing their job properly. The deal with birthdays/anniversaries/etc. They are also responsible for dealing with any food allergies, and ensuring that the food quality is meeting with the guests expectations. They also play an important role in finding out if there are any problems with a guest's trip - not just their dining. Since they have the opportunity to just chat with the guests, they often learn about issues in other areas, and can pass that along to the right people to fix it. To be honest, if you don't have special needs, there isn't much a head server can do to screw anything up. (The Hawaii head server dug himself a major hole, and then kept digging - not easy to do.)

    But a good head server is something much more. We've had several good servers over the years, who have gone out of their way to make our trip more magical. They have a huge box of pixie dust to pull from, and really have the ability to make your trip something special. Here are a couple of specific examples:

    1. On one cruise, we knew a family traveling where one of the kids got sick. Mom stayed behind with the sick child in the room, while Dad took the other child to dinner. Head server learned about it, sent a runner down to the room with that night's menu, and then had dinner delivered for Mom, and some soup for the sick child.
    2. On night 2 of a longer cruise, a request was made to the head server for a special order desert (Key Lime Pie). The head server made it happen, and the pie arrived at the table the next night for dinner. He then asked us what we wanted the following night. We laughingly told him to surprise us. And for the rest of the cruise, a special custom made desert was delivered each night for the table to share. We still talk about the strawberry tarts that we had never seen before, and have never seen since.
    3. On the Fantasy Maiden, just after boarding, we ran into a head server we've known for a few years and were chatting with him. He asked where we were sitting. We told him, and he quickly looked it up in the computer. He shook his head, said 'No, that won't do', and pulled out a piece of paper and wrote down a new table number for us. (We learned later he moved us to a stronger server team). That night at dinner he introduced us to our server team as his 'family.' You can imagine the message that gave to the servers.

    I take your point about not tipping the restaurant manager at home, but you also wouldn't tip the busser or bartender who the server got the drinks from. But in many cases, they are tipped - by your server. The server splits the tips with those people (or at least the smart/good ones do). When cruising, they just call the roles out separately for specific tipping, based on their individual service. And think of the total tip amount. ~$6 a night for the three positions, per person. That's less than I would tip at say Chili's when having an appetizer, entree and dessert.

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    Thanks, Tony - I appreciate your whole post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    That's less than I would tip at say Chili's when having an appetizer, entree and dessert.
    And I think this is what I need to keep in mind. It'll 'bother' me less, when I do leave that tip for him/her!

    I think that is a really good point about the head server being the one who would be able to 'catch' things earlier on in a cruise. AND one that could sprinkle a lot of pixie dust when needed.
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    I was also going to ask the same question as Drince, and also appreciate your post, Tony. That explains a lot. Im not sure if many guests really understand their roles as well.

    I think one thing to remember is that on a cruise, if a CM asks if there is anything they can do for you, and you have a certain need, do not hesitate to discuss it with them. They really do want your trip to be magical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony View Post
    They are also responsible for dealing with any food allergies
    To expand on this a bit, if you have someone in your party with a serious food allergy, you will see your head server much more than you might otherwise, and may even consult with the head server on duty anytime you eat on the ship outside of your dinner rotation. I've written before about cruising with a relative with life-threatening food allergies, and our head server was indispensable.

    Depending on the severity of the allergy, the head server is the one who brings food prepared in the isolation kitchen into the dining room, confirming with the chef that the food was prepared free of whatever allergen is involved and delivering it to the right passenger. They are the person who will review the next day's menu with you to determine what you'd like to eat and how it can be prepared. In a buffet situation, they can walk the line with you and consult with the chef to ensure there are no hidden allergens.

    Beyond what a normal restaurant manager may do, the head server does have specific unique duties. Depending on your situation and dining companions you may not need them - we rarely do - but they do have a job to do. In our case, it was apparent that our head server wasn't even managing the very basics, and we were VERY glad that we didn't have need to deal with him every night.

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    As a note, I was looking over my cruise docs which I just got for our June trip on the Dream. It does say that if we do not prepay our gratuities, the base, recommended values, will be added to our stateroom account. It then listed the recommended gratuities, per person, for our specific trip.

    So, while it may still be "date to be announced" it sounds like they are already doing a soft-implementation of this new process.

    (By the way, as a derail, I love the new format of the cruise documentation. The spiral book style seems so much more neatly laid out than the "ticket book" style that we had on past cruises.)

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