DL classics to get tacky movie revamp?

[merlinjones]

The following was posted at animated movies:

>> Jennifer Tilly talked to TV Guide about her role in Disney's The Haunted Mansion.
"When you go into the ride [at Disney], there's a gypsy fortune teller's head in a crystal
ball, saying, 'Go back, Go back!' You know, Madame Leota. That's gonna be me! I'm
Eddie Murphy's sidekick in the movie. He carries my head around, and I get bossy with
him. I have lots of hair, I'm a smart ***, and I'm very cryptic. I know all, I see all...

If the movie's really successful, Disney's gonna
revamp the ride and I'll be the head in the ball at the beginning of it! They're gonna totally update it." <<

Sacrilege! Let's hope these movies fail, as usual. Just what we need is more smartassing...

[3894]

I agree, merlinjones. However, I wish fellow shoe fanatic Jennifer Tilly the best. She's an excellent casting choice.

[Gemini Cricket]

Originally posted by merlinjones
If the movie's really successful, Disney's gonna
revamp the ride and I'll be the head in the ball at the beginning of it! They're gonna totally update it." <<

If this is true, that is going to be absolutely horrible.

If they did it for the run of the film and then put the original back afterwards, that would be fine.

Yikes. What's next? An Eddie Murphy AA walking around somewhere?

I think Disney will get a lot of flack if they start permanently revamping things. I, for one, will be one of the ones complaining.

[Tref]

I can't wait to miss it!

[mad4mky]

This thread was moved from the Disneyland Forum to the Entertainment Forum...as it belongs.

While there is a "Haunted Mansion" at DLR...there is also one in several other Disney resorts. But, this topic discusses the movie...which is an entertainment issue, not a park issue.

merlinjons~ while you were quoting a line from the interview, please watch what is being quoted. Placing ** in lieu of prohibited words is not acceptable. Your best bet was to skip the word althogether, or replace it with an acceptable word. Or better yet...use a link to the interview.
Next time, please use caution.

[Tref]

Just for the record, the prohibited word in question refers to a mule and can be found in any dictionary. Indeed a form of the word was used in Disney's Pinocchio, if memory serves ...
I am not challenging, mind you, so don't send me any e-mails ... I am just passing on the definition.

[merlinjones]

>>merlinjons~ while you were quoting a line from the interview, please watch what is being quoted. Placing ** in lieu of prohibited words is not acceptable. Your best bet was to skip the word althogether, or replace it with an acceptable word. Or better yet...use a link to the interview.
Next time, please use caution.<<

I am not at liberty to change quotes acceptable to TV Guide. I do not censor the world around me to create fiction. I didn't place the stars - - your censorship program did.

Tilly's reference to her attitude in the film is extremely relevant to the type of attitude that is soiling the company's output and heritage, so its exact language is needed and necessary to inform readers. Words are the color of life, not just wallpaper.

What good is this board if we can't discuss relevant topics with a sense of reality (like actual quotes)? Since this post was not directed at anyone with malice or disrespect, I feel your censorship warning smacks of Big Brotherism.

About moving it:

This thread was about changing the classic attraction at Disneyland and how that might be heresy to many (not about the movie itself). The effect of these movies on the park makes it a park issue, not just an entertainment issue.

The quote specifically notes that the attraction might be changed.

The Disneyland group is far more heavily read, and I believe its readers would be most interested in this topic.

[merlinjones]

In Walt Disney's "Pinocchio", Jiminy Cricket says "Go on... make a jackass of yourself!" (any stars are not mine)

How can language acceptible to Walt Disney and Jiminy Cricket not be acceptable on a Disney fan board?

Just think of the future under the Patriot Act.

[TecTalker2K]

You know, there are times that we take censorship just too far. Wal haed it as much as most thinking Americans. Let's talk about a beautiful girl living with 8 men? A woman that falls in love with a non-human. What qaabout a man 30 years old cavorting with a 13 year old girl? Where are the family values? I think the original post should be restored and the warning removed.

[Bill Catherall]

Alright everybody. Let's bring it down a notch or two. You're making a big deal out of nothing. No warning was given. It was just a reminder that caution should be used when posting. Certain language isn't tolerated here. I don't care if it's allowed on radio, TV, or even G rated movies. There are certain words that are automatically censored by our software. Yes, that includes some words that even I think shouldn't be censored. But that's beside the point.

The point is, you signed up to use this site, and in so doing you agreed to abide by the rules that have been explained to you. In case you don't remember those rules they can be found here in the FAQ. Here's the relevant portion:

You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this message board to post any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, libelous, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, an invasion of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.

Furthermore:

You agree to abide by the wishes of the board moderators in interpreting and enforcing these rules. Refusal to cooperate with board moderators or to abide by these rules is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges.

There's no need to go screeming "Big Brother" and start blaming the Patriot Act (all of which have absolutely no relevance to the situation here). If you don't like the rules, nobody's forcing you to stay.

With regards to the location of this thread...I'll give it some more thought. It all really depends on what the actual discussion is about. This is a grey area, because it's a movie about a ride. Perhaps Merlinjones intended to discuss the movie's impact on the Disneyland attraction. In which case, starting it in the DLR forum was appropriate. If the discussion swings back around to such a topic then I'll move it back. It was moved here because it was interpretted to be a discussion of the movie. An easy assumption to make given the ease of which the discussion could swing one way or the other.

So if everyone would like to get back on topic then we'll see what happens here. If you want to continue complaining about censorship then I'll move it to the Lounge.

[Morrigoon]

I think folks need to respect the fact that the Pad is a privately owned site, not public property. The owners have the right to dictate what goes on here. I respect the mods right to censor (even if it occasionally gets me in trouble!)

But more on topic:

I'll be very upset if they mess with Leota any more than they already have... it's bad enough you can now see the light from the camera reflecting off the crystal ball (totally ruining the effect!). To lose Leota Toombs' face and voiceover would be a travesty.

[merlinjones]

>>You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this message board to post any material that is knowingly false and/or defamatory, libelous, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening, an invasion of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law.<<

I respect that it's your site and has a subjective private code of some sort.

But I committed none of the above abuses in the use of said word (and find it offesive that you might indicate otherwise), I only quoted TV Guide/Jennifer Tilly on a relevant lighthearted topic.

Help me to understand...

How are we to know which words you consider profane? Is there a list of forbidden words that your censor detects, so I can avoid them in the future? How were they chosen, and is this true in all contexts? Why is DCA Sucks preferable to smartass? Can you email me such a list so I might be a more appropriate contributor?

Yes, its a silly matter, that's whay it's a poor argument to draw a censorship line, which should be done only when necessary, not to flatter those with petty power to exercise.

>>You agree to abide by the wishes of the board moderators in interpreting and enforcing these rules. Refusal to cooperate with board moderators or to abide by these rules is grounds for revocation of your posting privileges.<<

>>If you don't like the rules, nobody's forcing you to stay.<<

I engaged in repectful debate. If that is not to be tolerated, revoke away.

[Bill Catherall]

If you are ever unsure, you can use the Preview Reply button to see how your post will look before submitting. Any words that the autocensor edits will show up censored in the Preview.

Yes, it was a quote. But you also used the same word on your own at the end of your post. But due to the way the autocensor works, it didn't get edited.

If a word makes it past the autocensor than the moderators may (at their discretion) edit your post to remove the offending words.

I engaged in repectful debate. If that is not to be tolerated, revoke away.

If we revoke, then you can't come back. If you walk away on your own, then you have the option of returning. I don't consider throwing around "Big Brother" and "Patriot Act" as respectful debate, because there seems to be no respect for the things we do when you say such things.

[Sheila]

Hey merlin, if it helps, here's how I view it:

If I wonder whether or not this word will be allowed, then I just don't use it. I know there are quite a few words that are even uttered on network broadcast television that are censored here. But if I feel even a little twinge of doubt, then the word is edited out!

Many of the so-called tolerated words on TV and in print are either not used until 10:00 p.m. at night (when kiddies are in bed) or else the editors of the magazines (like TV Guide) assume the story is for older readers.

Since it's a Disney board with a few posters barely 13-years-old (and probably a few even younger who are lurking), the bar just needs to be a littler higher than other message boards.

Hope that guideline helps.

Sheila

[efoxx]

in a vain attempt to get back on target...

I don't think it will happen for two reasons.

1. permanant changes to the HM cost money. something eisner is not willing to do. we may see some kind of overlay ie Murphy and tilly animatronics popping up in different scenes. but to redo the ride would cost MILLIONS, and might lower eisners bonus.

2. the movie would have to be a success. maybe it will, but then again maybe the country bears movie will be given an academy award

[cirquelover]

I for one would be very unhappy if they were to change Madame Leota! Especially if it is just to promote their new movie!!!
I enjoy the holiday overlay, but a new movie overlay would be too much.
Are they going to change Pirates to?

[Doodle Duck]

I think the use of c-list stars in SSL was the experiment that will quelch a d-list Murray from appearance in the HM....not to mention an e-list Tilly. It jess ain't fitten...it ain't fitten.

[innerSpaceman]

I think Tilly was just talking out of her (ahem) when she made that remark. I bet there is no basis in fact, no basis in any communication she received from Disney, no basis in anything but her own fantasy of taking over the seance room that prompted her remark.

Perhaps the fantasy was a tool which she legitimately used to prepare for her role, but to imagine it actually happening is the height of delusions of grandeur.

Of course, it is also possible that some nitwit made such a promise to her. But, gak, the movie itself is sacrilege enough. If they replace Madame Leota with Jennifer Tilly, I will hold my own seance every night until all 999 happy haunts are persuaded to take up dual-citizenship residence in Michael Eisner's office.

[Matterhorn Fan]

Agreed. In that quote at least, the tone seems kindof, well, I don't know, and it looks as if she might not even know what she's talking about with regards to the ride. I could be wrong, but I do not remember Madame Leota saying "Go back, go back." I know Little Leota says "come back, come back," but that's neither the same thing nor the same dialogue . . .

[adriennek]

"Hurr-y ba-ack, hurr-y baa-aack. Be sure to bring your... DEATH certificate.... if you decide to join us....Make final arrangements now...." And, yes, that's Little Leota.

Miss Tilly needs to do better research

Adrienne K

[Matterhorn Fan]

See? She doesn't know what she's talking about.

And I'm a little rusty. (I have a good excuse, at least.)

[adriennek]

"Hurr-y ba-ack, hurr-y baa-aack. Be sure to bring your... DEATH certificate.... if you decide to join us....we've been... dying to have you....Make final arrangements now...."

I forgot that part! Oops!

Adrienne K

[innerSpaceman]

I would like to request that this thread "Hurray Back" to the Disneyland Forum. Yes - now that Disney is synergizing everything to death by making movies out of theme park attractions, it is a tough call. But I will venture to say that most people on these boards will look towards these films through the Disneyland prism and not the other way around.

This thread, in particular, is specifically about the effect upon the attraction due to the marketing of the movie - and so I plead with the mods to put it back in the Disneyland Forum where it more aptly applies.

[Gemini Cricket]

Click here for the article.

I found it on TV Guide's site.

[Bill Catherall]

Since the conversation now is leaning more towards the ride itself and the possible impact the movie would have on it, I'm moving this to the DLR forum.

Yes, there are similar rides in the other parks that could also be "targets," but due to the larger readership of the DLR forum I'll put it there.