Ok, first off, the wonderful folks over here at MousePlanet have asked that if we want to debate certain people or boards, we should do it on their board, so I am going to post the Thread name and Link, then I am going to talk about some of the park issues here... My comment's about Marcie will be placed over at MouseInfo, not here, that is the appropriate place.

"What the Heck is Al talking about?"

http://www.mouseinfo.com/mousetalk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3909

First she questioned Al's number's that he used for attendance in his last D-I-G, and that he overstated the discounts being offered...(Basically the only discount is the SoCal rsident salute)

What about the three and four day park hoppers being offered for sale for use between April and September at Disney.com????? Where you save over 20% on these tickets, the offer is open to everyone (not just Southern Californians), Basically you get to buy Adult tickets at Children prices... and the Hotel packages that offer FREE child's parkhoppers.

Marcie also stated....

"If you were lucky enough to spend hundred’s of dollars in groceries in order to obtain a free child’s admission at an Albertson’s Grocery Store"

The ONLY requirement was to buy a 12-pack of Coca-Cola (or other Coke Brand, such as Sprite, Dr. Pepper, Cactus Cooler, etc...) or Disney juice product. These items cost UNDER $5, not hundred's of dollars.

As of the Albertson's discount offer, over a period of about two months, how many of these child's free vouchers were handed out, had to be 100,000's if not millions. Albertson's is one of the big three markets here in Southern California, and if you buy Coke Products, you were automatically hand one each time you went to the store, allowing people to collect multiple vouchers (The average family if they went to the store about once a week, received about 10 vouchers). Plus, unlike the Knott's deal with Kroger (Ralph's/Food4Less) where you buy the ticket at the grocery store, this voucher cost nothing, and required no pre-planning, just show up at the ticket window by early May to use it. I mean, you go to the grocery store on Tuesday night, receive a kid's free voucher, and say, forgot school tomorrow, let's go to DCA in the morning.... NO, you saved the voucher until you found a good day in your schedule to attend the park. Since it was a widely advertised deal that ended in March, I hope that Disney had plenty of vouchers turned in during the month of April.

And the park numbers are headed to beat the reported numbers from last year... why is that, let's go to the Second Quarter report of Disney released April 25th, 2002.

" At the Disneyland Resort, increased attendance was driven by the addition of Disney's California Adventure and Disney's Grand Californian Hotel during the middle of the second quarter of the prior year, as well as strong local attendance reflecting primarily the success of the Annual Passport program."

So the fact that they changed all AP's to two-park passes, and offered them at basically the same price as the prior Disneyland ONLY cost. We might get into semantics over whether this is a discount, but something that used to cost $299, and was now offered for $199 (currently $219, but the price was $199 based on the second quarter time frame) sounds like a discount to me... in fact, allowed many guests who maybe purchased a DCA pre-park opening preview ticket for $20, and then decided it wasn't worth the extra costs, the folks that were happy with spending time in Disneyland, now can go to DCA, which has to help drive attendance, I heard (and I have no proof of these numbers, but let say about 10%). So, Marcie, you state that DCA is on track to beat last year's number's... without the increased AP base (and the amount of advertising locally to promote the sale of AP's), would the numbers be on track to beat last years????

Then she talked about Screamin'....

As for Screamin', All I know it is bad show to stand in line for over an hour while there are trains that you can see that could be added for increased guest satisfaction. But I guess money is a much more important force at the Disney company nowadays, based on the WDW memo that was reported a couple of days ago...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/busi...0602may06.story

How can Guests tell who is on and off the clock???... I walk up to someone, and he/she gives me the "bum's-rush" (of course in a nice way, but still, basically, go away, ask someone else...)

Then she talked about Flik's Fun Fair, and picked on Al on his spelling of the area, since this isn't really facts, I will discussion them over at MouseInfo....


Once again, you want to talk about DCA attendance and what the Disney company is doing to increase the turnstyle count by any means neccessary, that's this thread.....

You want to talk about why Disney is only running limited amount of trains on Screamin'.. (And if isn't to save money, what the heck is it...), that is also this thread....

You want to talk about Marcie, go to the source, NOT HERE.
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Originally posted by Darkbeer

Marcie also stated....

"If you were lucky enough to spend hundred’s of dollars in groceries in order to obtain a free child’s admission at an Albertson’s Grocery Store"

The ONLY requirement was to buy a 12-pack of Coca-Cola (or other Coke Brand, such as Sprite, Dr. Pepper, Cactus Cooler, etc...) or Disney juice product. These items cost UNDER $5, not hundred's of dollars.

As of the Albertson's discount offer, over a period of about two months, how many of these child's free vouchers were handed out, had to be 100,000's if not millions. Albertson's is one of the big three markets here in Southern California, and if you buy Coke Products, you were automatically hand one each time you went to the store, allowing people to collect multiple vouchers (The average family if they went to the store about once a week, received about 10 vouchers). Plus, unlike the Knott's deal with Kroger (Ralph's/Food4Less) where you buy the ticket at the grocery store, this voucher cost nothing, and required no pre-planning, just show up at the ticket window by early May to use it. I mean, you go to the grocery store on Tuesday night, receive a kid's free voucher, and say, forgot school tomorrow, let's go to DCA in the morning.... NO, you saved the voucher until you found a good day in your schedule to attend the park. Since it was a widely advertised deal that ended in March, I hope that Disney had plenty of vouchers turned in during the month of April.


I think she had it confused with the program Lucky's (Before the change) that ran a few years ago, where you bough $250 worth of stuff, you got a free ticket to DL. :)

I remember the program, Lucky's (which was bought out by Albertson's around this time) was a couple of years ago... but she was debating that Al's facts were incorrect on the available discounts currently at DCA...

My comments were to the fact that Al was correct that the Albertson's free DCA child's admission did have a significant effect on the March and April crowds this year. She was claiming he was wrong, and used incorrrect facts to prove it....

This Marcie dude is probably just trying to sponge off Al's popularity. This is why I don't visit sites like MouseInfo; all they can seem to do to gain popularity is rehash old news and/or verbally bash the MousePlanet staff out of jealousy.

Don't even bother with that site.
MousePlanet has the REAL info on the mouse. ;)

Do not post criticisms of other Web sites here. Continuing to do so in this thread is a sure way for me to close this thread. I am hereby moving this thread to the Column Discussions category as well.

OMG, I just had to respond to that! I actually registered with the sole intent of responding to that (and given the nature of what I said to Marcie, I doubt that account will stay active for very long (it's true though, Marcie IS a man!)).

You know what they say about they who live in glass houses ;)

Sorry, I'll keep this on topic:

I have found Al to be mostly right- and more often than other websites (with the exception of those who announce "news" only days before it happens). Yes, he has a, shall we say, STRONG viewpoint, and sometimes his wording clouds the validity of the issue at hand - but HE IS RIGHT, MOST of the time!

I also know now thoroughly Al checks his sources before posting anything - the word of one person is not enough, especially not from one as far down the ladder as an hourly CM.

I'm going to second lani on this. We do not want, nor do we need, a board war. You didn't break any rules, Darkbeer, but there also wasn't much reason to post that here rather than there (yes, I know you also posted it there).

You tried to give it a hook at the end, but it was pretty thin.

Originally posted by zapppop
This Marcie dude is probably just trying to sponge off Al's popularity. This is why I don't visit sites like MouseInfo; all they can seem to do to gain popularity is rehash old news and/or verbally bash the MousePlanet staff out of jealousy.

Don't even bother with that site.
MousePlanet has the REAL info on the mouse. ;)

If you had any idea about real info on the Mouse you sure wouldn't be posting what you just said.

First off, to anybody "in charge" here, I am truly sorry if you felt I tried to start a board war, I tried to walk a fine line, between letting people know what was being said elsewhere on the internet, the debating of those facts, and the personalities involved. I have used the same "handle" now for about 20 years. and have never tried to hide what I have said.

I tried to address the facts here, without addressing the personalities... If you look at the two posts, the one posted here was edited, on purpose, and if i didn't edit it enough, I AM SORRY!!!

I still feel I tried to address the facts on the posts, but, as any person, my personal opinions came thru in the writing...

I do appreciate both MousePlanet and MouseInfo being available on the internet. This was the "first" Disney site I joined as a discussion member, and still enjoy the site, today's David koenig article was another one of many articles by many different writers that I find enjoyable. I also like Michael's Photo updates of the DLR offered on MouseInfo...

I debated where to post this thread, either on the park thread, or here on the General Thread, and ended up deciding to match the thread I found Marcie's thread on at MI.

Originally posted by Morrigoon
I have found Al to be mostly right- and more often than other websites (with the exception of those who announce "news" only days before it happens). Yes, he has a, shall we say, STRONG viewpoint, and sometimes his wording clouds the validity of the issue at hand - but HE IS RIGHT, MOST of the time!

I find Als colum to be filled alot of the times not with actual facts, but more bias and an almost Globe/National Enquier effect to the info. It seems no matter what Disney does- no matter how good or bad- he has to come up with some negative side. He often seems to over react to rumors- ie, the whole Splash Mountain deal. He to me seemed to be like Chicken Little, running around screaming the sky is falling.. but in this case, they were going to put in over the shoulder restraints. As it is known now, they did not. At the time though, Al keept going on and on about it, and it sparked alot of topics about what he was reporting. Alot of panic/worrying for nothing. I have to say I trust Marcie far more then Al as at least the info he or she posts seems to be more truthfull... or maybe it is the fact that it at least seems to be posted with out all the negative comments? Just something from Marcie seems more believeable over Al. Now I am not trying to start any wars, but that's my opinion. If you do not agree wth it, oh well... but I hope it doesn't get me into any trouble.

Al never said they were definitely putting over the shoulder restraints on Splash, he said it was one of the ideas they were bouncing around. The way they have the Splash logs now is supposedly a temporary fix, so that it could at least be open this summer.