I am beginning to see that the suits in burbank must have some trolls posting on the message board since people are attacking al and his comments.

Its sad that people have to attack Al when he speaking the truth about the parks. All one has to do is go to the resort and see the items that Al talks about. It's not like he makes this stuff up.

So trolls and Eisner if you are listening here are my comments

1. Dont attack al
2. IF you want to stop the attacks on your management by AL and the rest of the MP police than fix the parks the way Walt would have wanted them to be run.
3. Can esiner and pressler and Harris. They know nothing about how to make a good park work. The only thing micheal and his boy jeff know is how to cut the budget and destory a good idea with a crappy park.
4. Get someone to manager the angels and ducks that knows how to so we can get in ring for gene and cup for hans.
5. If you want the truth handle the truth

Gee, nice suggestions. :rolleyes:

The truth hurts, Iceman.
The parks are being mismanaged and the proof is there.

This seems to be a continuation of a bit of confrontation in another thread.

Another of my lists:

1) We will decide what is unacceptable Al bashing, gautry. We (moderators and administrators) will also withhold for ourselves the privilege of telling people what they can post.

2) Please trim your signature to something closer to four lines.

3) While I found Iceman's comment in the other thread needlessly personal, I don't think he crossed any lines. If you disagree, tell a moderator.

4) Please proofread your posts before submitting them.

Look. Al is not the word of God. I for one agree with much of what he says, and clearly his facts are on target. But just because many people disagree with the OPINIONS he states, or the way in which he presents them, does not make them corporate trolls, Gautry.

It's not that Al is wrong, it's just that Al is a jerk.

Originally posted by SpazRobot
It's not that Al is wrong, it's just that Al is a jerk. Wow, real insightful there. I mean geez, that changes my entire opinion about the man. How could I have been so wrong?

Come on, is your entire argument based on purile name calling, or do you have anything worthwhile to say?

What's the difference between admin. and moderator?

SpazRobot: That will not be allowed. Don't do it again.

Squinky: From your perspective, not a lot. Admins have a few more powers behind the scenes though.

Originally posted by gautry
I am beginning to see that the suits in burbank must have some trolls posting on the message board since people are attacking al and his comments.

No one should be attacking Al or anyone else on these boards. People, however, are free to disagree, but just because someone disagrees with Al doesn't mean they're a Disney stooge. It's unfair to make that kind of blanket statement.




/cs

I think many of Al's detractors would do well to actually meet the guy. No matter what you think of his opinions, he's quite friendly in person, and he does seem to enjoy Disneyland a lot, in spite of it's flaws.

could not have said it better

Well Al puts himself in the public light, so he's open to criticisms on his work and his image.

It's exactly the same with Paul Pressler and Mike Eisner. People dislike their actions and then go on to write mean things about them and even go on hating them strongly. (Going as far as defacing a certain brick) But I'm sure if you met them in person, they're really nice too.

Again cooler heads prevail--I apologize for some of my heated remarks. I dislike it when people turn a mature discussion into a personal attack, yet that's exactly what I've done.

I would like to meet Al in person. Others have mentioned that his passion for Disney comes through in ways that are not apparent in his writing. I do not agree with his style or what I see as an overly cynical and negative approach, but respect that he's trying to get the company to improve. I don't think his approach will work, but he's free to try!

Has anyone close to Al talked to him about the tone of his pieces? If it's so easy to miss his passion and see it as grandstanding, then maybe he could try tweaking his way of writing. In any event, in the future I will probably continue to respectfully disagree with some of the things he says, but I will at least be respectful.

Well let me clarify.

It's not what Al says that people have a problem with, it's how he says it.

Originally posted by Uncle Dick
I think many of Al's detractors would do well to actually meet the guy. No matter what you think of his opinions, he's quite friendly in person, and he does seem to enjoy Disneyland a lot, in spite of it's flaws.

Some of the people who disagree with Al do actually know him. Knowing him and disagreeing or agreeing with him or what he writes or how he chooses to present the information have nothing to do with each other.

As for someone close to Al talking to him about how he writes, it's one thing to have a conversation with him, but it's another to try to make him change. I'm sure Al is well aware of the reactions to what and how he writes, and I don't see that anyone is going to talk him into changing.



/cs

Heh, I don't think Al is going to change the way he writes. His whole thing is that the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And he certainly can squeak! :p

I wouldn't want to change the way he writes tho. It's too much fun to read!!!

Put the hints of sarcasim aside, and Al's columns are, quite simply, the truth. It's hard to enjoy a day in the park (even working) when one is constantly lamenting the current way Disney handles things. But, if you have a passion for the park and/or the company as many of us do, it's hard not to. I applaud Al for holding so many of these issues up to the light. Many others (myself included) just don't have the guts.

PS - gautry: Trolls? Come on. If you paid any attention you'd see that most of the "Al bashers" are regular and insightful posters who just don't like to hear negative things about the park.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by cstephens

Some of the people who disagree with Al do actually know him. Knowing him and disagreeing or agreeing with him or what he writes or how he chooses to present the information have nothing to do with each other.
/cs
I was directly addressing some of the personal attacks that were directed towards dear ol' Al, not necessarily everyone who disagrees with something he says. Those who bash Al (calling him anything from disreputable to an outright liar, questioning his motives, etc.) are those who should learn to separate the man from the column. Old timers like you, cs, and JeffG, who know Al and disagree with him are all right as far as I'm concerned. :)

I don't always find myself on the same side of the fence as Mr. Lutz, but I think his heart's in the right place.

Gautry: interesting suggestions, but I'd like to modify #3

Cynthia Harriss is actually good for the park. She cares to hear what the CMs have to say, and seems to actually LIKE the park (as she's seen in it way more often than Paul was). I'd like to see Cynthia get a couple more years under her belt in her current position, then be bumped up to Paul's after he goes back to the stores (or on to wherever). Hopefully whoever takes over after Eisner (it can't be THAT far away - have you seen the stock price??) recognizes her talent and passion and keeps her on despite some major housecleaning that will need to be done. (All overpaid yes-men: OUT!)