.... don't eat at this table when watchinng Billy Hill!
http://homepage.mac.com/stupid_american/photos/nappy.jpg
The arrow is pointing at the soiled nappy.
She did lay out a cloth, so I guess it's okay; right?

I have to admit I did this once in a restaurant that didn't have a baby changing table. I asked for the manager, asked him if he had a changing facility, he said no, I told him I'd be using a table and advised him to clean it when I was done. When I went back a couple months later I noticed a freshly installed baby changing table in the restroom.

Disney parks, on the other hand, have baby changing facilities. There's no excuse for not using them. Ick.

I wouldn't call it "bad parenting" just because there's a child involved; the parents' actions are not directly involving the child. This is just "bad ettiquette". The nearest large restroom with diaper tables in both the mens and womens rooms is just across the way in Rancho del Zocalo.

I usually try not to get involved, but I think I would have asked "would you mind doing that in the restroom?" and given directions.

I just used that title because of the board on which I posted.


With changing tables in most toilets, both men's and women's, I am surethey were aware of them but just simply could care less about etiquette.

Well, yeah, she didn't put it on the table.

consider this: tourist. Doesn't know where the nearest bathroom is and just came to Billy Hill from Main Street, through Frontierland and didn't see a single bathroom along the way. Baby has sensitive skin. The kind where rashes mean Neosporin AND Desitin for a week just to get it under control. She waited in line for Billy Hill and even though she'd just changed a poopy diaper not a hour ago, smells like Junior decided to pull another one on her! He's not usually like this but his schedule's a little off.

Well the show hasn't started yet, so she's going to change him.

Best choice? Probably not. I would've changed him IN the stroller instead of on the table but I can't see how many kids she's had nor do I know how much experience she's had changing babies in strollers. It can be tricky, especially if the stroller has a snack tray or a bar that doesn't move much.

I'm assuming she didn't leave the diaper on the table?

Again, probably not the best choice but "bad parenting"? Is it a contest these days? I've seen much more bothersome parenting behaviors. I'm not going to get my knickers too much in a wad.

Adrienne

Edited to add: I probably would've done it in the back of the theater in the stroller. That would've been a 'better choice'.

adriennek

consider this: tourist. Doesn't know where the nearest bathroom is and just came to Billy Hill from Main Street, through Frontierland and didn't see a single bathroom along the way. Baby has sensitive skin. The kind where rashes mean Neosporin AND Desitin for a week just to get it under control. She waited in line for Billy Hill and even though she'd just changed a poopy diaper not a hour ago, smells like Junior decided to pull another one on her! He's not usually like this but his schedule's a little off.


I repeat:
adriennek

consider this: tourist. Doesn't know where the nearest bathroom is and just came to Billy Hill from Main Street, through Frontierland and didn't see a single bathroom along the way. Baby has sensitive skin. The kind where rashes mean Neosporin AND Desitin for a week just to get it under control. She waited in line for Billy Hill and even though she'd just changed a poopy diaper not a hour ago, smells like Junior decided to pull another one on her! He's not usually like this but his schedule's a little off.

Well the show hasn't started yet, so she's going to change him.
Yup, that's probably it!


I didn't set it up because I didn't believe anyone would try to rationalize it.
You've even gone so far as to rationalize the poop!

Okay, here's the picture.........

She and her 3 friends were the advance team for 4 tables of joy.
This preceeded the 2nd show, with about 15 minutes to go; there was no line and plenty of time.
Shortly before this photo-op, I had given directions, to both nearby facilities (Zocalo and Adventureland), to one of the men.

She simply saw this as a "constructive" way to pass the time before the show.

She did toss the little bundle into the trash.
The diaper, not the baby.

I don't have children.
I don't change diapers.
But, if I did, I would never change them on a dining table.
And if I didn't know where there were facilities, I would ask.

Because they were tourists, and especially because this was Disneyland, I didn't say anything.
I always go way out of my way to let people enjoy themselves at the park.
Unless there is a hazard, or a problem that might escalate, I step aside.

Grant me the serenity...........

no way...that does not compare to the leashed or the shoulder sittign for fireworks...now that is bad parenting...j/k....

on a side note I caught my 14 year old with a dog collar on....she will be leahsed up the next time I see it on her...>LOL

I guess I may "abnormal" to most mothers, but I refuse to change my son anywhere but either in the bathroom or on his changing table at home. If we are out, I find a restroom. I've seen people change babies on tables people are eating at and it really bothers me. In immediate needs, I've changed my son once in the car. I've done that once a couple of months ago and haven't done that since and that wasn't even a 'public' place.

I guess I may "abnormal" to most mothers, but I refuse to change my son anywhere but either in the bathroom or on his changing table at home. If we are out, I find a restroom. I've seen people change babies on tables people are eating at and it really bothers me. In immediate needs, I've changed my son once in the car. I've done that once a couple of months ago and haven't done that since and that wasn't even a 'public' place.

don't get me wrong...I found it totally disgusting to do this in most places. However, it is a bit more understandable at DL. They may ahve been waiting for a while, they may not have known where the bathroom was, it was a show so maybe they thought they would get locked out if they left....or maybe they are just inconsiderate and didn't care...

My kids are old. I was changing diapers in the '80's when changing tables in restaurants weren't everywhere, and I never resorted to using a table in a restaurant. I have been 'guilty' of excusing myself and changing them in the parking lot. (If you have to, lift the trunk and use that flat surface instead of the slanted car seat. My wigglers did better there. And it didn't gross out my older kids who would be sitting in the seat later.) And as a side note, no I probably wouldn't say anything to the mommy in question, but I sure would be biting my lip!

I don't know if I ever used a changing table at Disneyland, I think I always pulled into an out of the way corner and changed them in the stroller. I had a stroler that foleded completely flat and was vey convenient for that.

yeah, I did the stroller change, on a lawn some where out of site, or in the bathroom, using tables where people eat is gross !! And please why do we need to see it while we are eating or watching a show? and well if your kid is poopy take it else where!
Some people who do this I can only imagine what there homes look like. Do you change your babys on your kitchen table? nothing like butt crack on the kitchen table.

I don't have children.

I do.


I don't change diapers.

I don't anymore, but I've changed tons.

But, if I did, I would never change them on a dining table.

Me, either.

And if I didn't know where there were facilities, I would ask.

Me, too. My guess is if she needed to go to the bathroom herself she wouldn't crap on the table, so finding a restroom should not have been that difficult.

Me, too. My guess is if she needed to go to the bathroom herself she wouldn't crap on the table, so finding a restroom should not have been that difficult.


That's funny! :D

I guess I may "abnormal" to most mothers, but I refuse to change my son anywhere but either in the bathroom or on his changing table at home. If we are out, I find a restroom. I've seen people change babies on tables people are eating at and it really bothers me. In immediate needs, I've changed my son once in the car. I've done that once a couple of months ago and haven't done that since and that wasn't even a 'public' place.

I've used my trunk before. I am not the kind of person to change my children in front of other people. They may be little but to me, some decency is required. Changing the child on a table to me is completely disgusting, considering that is where people eat. DL or not, I would have asked for the nearest facility.

I only have 1 child left in diapers, and if it is just a "wet" diaper I will change her standing up (if there is no changing table is in the bathroom). If it is a "dirty" diaper (and there is no changing table) I either put a blanket down on the floor of the restroom to change her. Or a few times I just put a bunch of paper towels on the counter by the sink & made my own changing table.

In Europe it is VERY VERY rare to find a changing table in a bathroom. So many times I have seen Europeans, and have had to myself with my neice, change the baby on a blanket on the restroom floor, or if outside on the grass. If I had the stroller I'd try changing in the stroller 1st with the back down.

Just never on a table where people eat, or out in public where eating people can see. I try every other possible route....and sometimes just go home or to the hotel room to get it taken care of.

(PS.........when I have had to put the blanket on the floor I usually wrap it up and stick it in a plastic bag in the stroller...I don't use it again until it is washed..or if it is a cheapie I threw it away)

When we are at Disneyland, we always do it in the stroller parked in a corner somewhere where no one can see. We always cross our fingers hoping it isn't #2.

I didn't set it up because I didn't believe anyone would try to rationalize it.
You've even gone so far as to rationalize the poop!

I did say that the table wasn't the best choice.

As for "rationalizing poop" - I've had a child who had a horrible nasty infection that took weeks of double ointment treatments to go away. When you've been there done that, yes, it's not that hard to "rationalize the poop" as you've said.

You're darn-tootin' that I'll "rationalize" poop. Those little rashes can be NASTY oh little tushies.

Adrienne

Maybe I'm just evil, but I say when you see someone being inconsiderate and changing a diaper on a table in a public place such as Disneyland, I say totally embarrass the snot out of the person. Loudly say to all that can hear you while pointing at the ignoramous "Hey everyone, this person is changing a dirty diaper on a table that people use to eat on! Lets all hold our noses and boo or ewww at the person!" That'll learn em! :p

Maybe I'm just evil, but I say when you see someone being inconsiderate and changing a diaper on a table in a public place such as Disneyland, I say totally embarrass the snot out of the person. Loudly say to all that can hear you while pointing at the ignoramous "Hey everyone, this person is changing a dirty diaper on a table that people use to eat on! Lets all hold our noses and boo or ewww at the person!" That'll learn em! :p

Ok, that's not a nice thing to do.

I wouldn't do what that family did either but hey, to each his own. I mean, if you put it all into perspective the horses on Main Street do #2 on the ground and we all plop our tushies on the ground to save a spot and set up picnics for Remember.

Now that I've totally grossed people out, I'll just end it at that. :)

I've had a child who had a horrible nasty infection that took weeks of double ointment treatments to go away. .

When that horrible, nasty rash appeared, did you say "I'm goin' to Disneyland!!" ?

Junior didn't seem distressed in the slightest.
The mother did this in a nonchalant manner.
She had simply found a very convenient place to change a diaper.

I'm not trying to say that a baby's needs aren't a priority.
I'm not saying that mothers are bad.
Although I would never take one, I'm definitely not complaining about babies in the park.

There are some wonderful parents.
But, they are plenty of real jerks too.
This woman hails from the latter.

Simple as that.

1- I did not stop my life and hermit myself and my kid in my house until the rash went away. So, yes there were times I was at Disneyland with a kid with a bad diaper rash.

2- It sounds like you have it all figured out. That will serve you well if/when you encounter this situation.

Adrienne

Having worked in the food industry for the past 14 years if memory serves me correct where do people get hepatitis. Oh yea! That is right, you get it from POOP. Mainly from people not washing their hands and fixing food, but there are particles that are left on the table, particles that float in the air that can and will spread this beauty. Boy the people around there that didn't say anthing to that inconsiderate person I guess deserve to have liver failure. I would have made such a big stink (pun intended). OOOHHHH that infuriates me. How often are the tables washed? Not very often I suppose. I better quit because I am going to really get worked up! :mad:

Ok, that's not a nice thing to do.

I wouldn't do what that family did either but hey, to each his own. I mean, if you put it all into perspective the horses on Main Street do #2 on the ground and we all plop our tushies on the ground to save a spot and set up picnics for Remember.

Now that I've totally grossed people out, I'll just end it at that. :)


you don't get hepatitis form horse road apples, you do from humans!

Hey Stupid American,

Did the woman know you were taking a picture of her changing her baby? If so, I would hope that would have let her know that someone thought it was such an odd thing to be doing that he felt compelled to take a picture of it.

Obviously , this woman has no regard for other people's comfort level...nobody wants to see a baby's bottom or a poopy diaper when they are in a restaurant eating, especially not on the table! The least she could have done was change him in the stroller. And even if she'd done that people around her still would have smelled it!
That would ruin a good meal for me!

Oh, and if the kid had a nasty case of diaper rash on top of all that and I had to see that too! :eek: Yes poop and infections are a normal part of being a baby , but it is also normal to deal with these things in a bathroom!!!


What makes this not only an etiquette issue, but bad parenting as well, is that the kid is getting his first lesson that it's okay for people to do whatever they want wherever they want even if it's making other people unhappy as long as it makes him or mommy happy. God forbid they should miss the opening number of the Billy Hill show! :rolleyes: