Question about mini Gay Day, 4/2/05

[I Heart Disneyland!]

The one time we did have problems was with the Cheerleader competitions held over the weekend we were at the park. :eek:

I would SO rather be there during the gay days than on cheerleader days! ha! PLEASE, no hate mail from moms or dads of cheerleaders!!!

AND, as for MammaSilva's comment....it was taken VERY wrong. She meant no harm and was making a loving statement.

[tjaa]

well the tights do kind of lean towards one direction, but Petey is still playing the Pat card from Saturday Night Live on all of us. But here's something for you all to think about on Splash Mountain, I think you all know what I'm talking about, I'm just the one with the guts to bring it out in the open. There's that one scene, the Bear, all tied up, feet up around his neck, his crotch, RIGHT there in your face as you float by. Come on.

I don't mind if your GAY (your choice) but if your showing kids that it's ok to love same sex M/F (holding hands/kissing...), I will shut you down on the spot. 35 years ago my oldest brother could not enter DL because his hair reach his shoulders, I know times have changed, (have several family members that are gay) some/many CMs may be? I don't need my 5 year old twins to ask ?'s, so mini gay day or not respect our youth and families. No responce needed....

[bradk]

with all due respect, i'd be more concerned about teaching your 5 year old twins better spelling, grammar and an overall deeper respect for the english language.

it's obvious you are looking for a 'responce' since you felt obligated to add the 'your CHOICE' crap. i'm sure you're setting a great example for your 5 year olds by flaunting your ignorance and threatening people whose only crime is getting in the way of your self-righteous field of vision.

that being said, any rules that apply for same sex couples most definitely should apply to straight couples as well. and i just won't go any further than that.

[sdfilmcritic]

Last year it was not that crowded at all. It is the big one that gets big attendance. Don't worry if someone is wearing a red shirt they will not bite:-)
ToursbabeThat's right. They don't bite. At least not the ones I've met at DLR. (But then I could tell you what they would do while at the parks......)

[sdfilmcritic]

People fear the gays when they are let loose in the park. Protect the children, cover there eyes. Don't travel to the park that day, you might catch gay!!!My arguement against this phrase is:

Protect the children's eyes when it's....
Goth/Bats Day
Mouse Adventure Day
Gay Day
Grad Night and/or Fraternity and Soriority Night
Cheerleader Competitions (ultra, terribly scary!!)
MetalHead Day
The day the IASW dolls are let loose.
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

[sdfilmcritic]

okay can i get away with one more here? :D let's see. Okay so Michael Jackson recently visited Disneyland and he went on Pinocchio, however, he made them stop the ride and he left once Pinocchio lost his wood. Oh come on now cut-it-out, yeah you go Uncle Joey!Boy, do I have a really dirty joke about Pinnochio! But I must refrain from posting it in the boards.

[bradk]

lie to me! lie to me!

[sdfilmcritic]

with all due respect, i'd be more concerned about teaching your 5 year old twins better spelling, grammar and an overall deeper respect for the english language.Boy, do I ever agree with this statement. Sometimes I wonder why our culture seems to focus on teaching our kids acceptance and tolerance when they should be taught how to live their own lives through gaining skills and an education. During the learning process of giving kids a proper education it is important that adults set an example to the kids of how to live on a social level. Once the kid grows up he or she will be able to make a educated decision on what is personally acceptable to themself.

I am not saying that we have dropped education off our list, but I am saying that our wires may have been crossed and our focus has been sub-consciously shifted to a secondary matter. I think our primary goal needs to be the education of our children to gain skills and knowledge to earn a living for their future family. To me the social skills should come second to this.

[sdfilmcritic]

lie to me! lie to me!That's the one! :p :D

[tjaa]

with all due respect, i'd be more concerned about teaching your 5 year old twins better spelling, grammar and an overall deeper respect for the english language.

it's obvious you are looking for a 'responce' since you felt obligated to add the 'your CHOICE' crap. i'm sure you're setting a great example for your 5 year olds by flaunting your ignorance and threatening people whose only crime is getting in the way of your self-righteous field of vision.

that being said, any rules that apply for same sex couples most definitely should apply to straight couples as well. and i just won't go any further than that.

Sorry Brad, no crap here. "Do you have children?" and if so, do you think of how a small instance could effect them for life ?

[bradk]

well, if you meant affect, i will answer this by stating that i believe children can be 'effected' in a lot worse ways than being exposed to love.

i'd personally rather have my child learn about relationships from two grown men who like to hold eachother's hands and share paying the bills than from a physically and emotionally abusive husband who treats his enslaved wife like she's common property.

i'm not sure how you think your child will be 'effected' by seeing a gay couple in public, other than perhaps becoming more compassionate and open and accepting of all kinds of people in general.

now just to go back to what i touched upon earlier. i don't necessarily want to see two guys tongue kissing in front of me at the park. but then again, i don't want to see a male and female doing it either. as for two women, well, for the sake of keeping it academic, let's say i'd pass on that too.

and yes crap. your 'your CHOICE' comment served no purpose other than to instigate. you wanted a reaction from it. which i'm sure you'll get, but it certainly won't serve to make you look any more educated in the matter.

[tjaa]

Brad, you failed to answer the question "Do you have children?", if not hold on it's great and by the way I love ya (Man to Man "LOL"), don't know anyone that knows more about DL than you.... The statement "Your Choice" meant we're all free to chose our paths in life?

[FantasmicFanatic]

Brad, you failed to answer the question "Do you have children?", if not hold on it's great and by the way I love ya (Man to Man "LOL"), don't know anyone that knows more about DL than you.... The statement "Your Choice" meant we're all free to chose our paths in life?

Um, he did answer.




i'd personally rather have my child learn about relationships from two grown men who like to hold eachother's hands and share paying the bills than from a physically and emotionally abusive husband who treats his enslaved wife like she's common property.

I really didn't want to have to post on this, but I just can't handle this anymore. I am gay. And I can tell you it's NOT A CHOICE. I would never do anything more than holding my boyfriends hand in public in Disneyland. I see guys and girls doing much worse, but would never do that myself. In the history of Gay Days at Disneyland I have never heard of any couple doing anything lewd at all. The worst I hear about is children asking their parents why 2 men are holding hand and the parent freaking out. Ummm...HELLO...it's holding hands. Didn't we all do this in first grade when we crossed the street?

It really hurts me to see a few of the posts on this thread, but it makes me so so happy and proud to see the many many many more positive and supportive posts. I can't thank some of you enough!

FF

[sdfilmcritic]

I would never do anything more than holding my boyfriends hand in public in Disneyland. I see guys and girls doing much worse, but would never do that myself.As a straight guy I get all bothered about PDA (public displays of affection) because it's something that I believe should be done in private. My family has adapted the letters PDA to anything that goes beyond just holding hands, a hug, or an arm around a person's shoulders. I don't want to be passing by, minding my own business, when my eyes scan across a crowd and take notice of a guy jamming his tongue down his girl's throat. I don't have to look, and usually I quickly look away after seeing something like this. I'm not interested in watching others acting out what could be considered foreplay, and I think there are plenty of others who think the same thing.

[bradk]

well, actually, i didn't quite answer. i was speaking hypothetically on what i'd like my child exposed to since i don't actually have any children in the conventional sense, and believe me, the world is better off for it.

anyway, i think FF addressed it enough and it was mentioned here earlier as well and this isn't really the time nor place for this (it's just amazing how one questionably innocent question can spark tangents like these), but the reason why i was concentrating on the 'your CHOICE' thing is because i felt you were implying homosexuality is a choice, when so clearly it's not. as it was mentioned, nobody would choose a life of adversity. in fact, countless numbers have spent most of their lives in denial, even marrying and having children. people have committed suicide over the anguish it's caused them. and i've never heard one single person who was openly gay ever say it was a choice. i for one never chose to be heterosexual. i wonder how many people who think homosexuality is a choice can honestly say they chose not to be homosexual (which of course means they could switch if they wanted to).

it's also not genetic. in an overwhelming majority of sets of identical twins, where one twin is gay, the other is not. it's not environmental or learned behavior as most gay couples raise straight children. and it's been known to exist in other species as well.

but whatever the cause of sexual orientation is, it honestly doesn't matter. there's 6 billion people and 1 tiny planet, so my advice is to take your own advice and follow that golden rule and know that just because you get up at a particular hour each morning, it doesn't have to be that way for everyone (and i mean that metaphorically. or so i'd like to think).

and as much as i appreciate the flattery, and lord knows i do, i think several other people on here have it all on me when it comes to knowledge of the parks.

[Crazy4DL]

. I know there are people who think gay people aren't normal - but I don't think anyone in this thread was saying that at all - imho

I see I spoke too soon :(



edited to add: Excellent posts bradk!!

[Mommy2NicknMax]

Excellent posts bradk!!
I agree!

[disneyhound]

Well norm you better never take you kids to Disneyland again because about 90% of the guys that work their are gay...
I suppose some people break their bananas into pieces before eating them...

[ToursbabeC3po]

About the whole children issue......I do have kids and they have an "Auntie Clint." I think not telling your kids about things and keeping them in the closet is the worst thing you can ever do. It is the way you tell them not What you tell them. My kids knew at a very young age about my gay friends and I just told them that there are all kinds of people in this world. Some Guys have boyfriends, some girls have girlfriends, and some people are boyfriend and girlfriend because they were born that way. I did not tell them that Auntie Clint was having sex with "Tom" Why would that be necessary at their age? But it takes off the blind fold in this country we seem to have about prejudice. I don't tell them that my other friends are having sex so why would a discuss my gay friends sexual life?
It really bothers me that people who say they are Christian can not accept people for who they are. Is it your job to judge? No it is not, it is Gods. In my eyes God is the most loving person on this earth and we are all Gods children. ALL OF US ARE GODS CHILDREN and for you or anyone else to judge what another does is wrong.

Part of raising your children is socializing them to this world without doing this it is only handicapping them later in life.
My parents tried to put the drape over my eyes when I was young and I came into this world as an adult very socially unequipped and very angry when my eyes opened. Don't do this to your kids. Answer their questions in a non- judgmental way and maybe their generation will not have the blindfold of prejudice over their eyes!
Toursbabe

[CrazyTrain]

My arguement against this phrase is:

Protect the children's eyes when it's....
The day the IASW dolls are let loose.


And i'll be having nightmares tonight... thanks SD!
(Man what a cool horror film THAT will make!)

[Tutter]

Wow - all this debate over a question on crowds and a red t shirt. :D

Anyway, as MammaSilva alludes to, it is nice to know people don't have to hide who they are these days to the same extent. A welcome situation for us all I think. :)

[MrsG]

edited to add: Excellent posts bradk!!
Cheering bradk on! Go bradk!!! Well thought out AND well written!

[SCUBAbe]

Brad, you failed to answer the question "Do you have children?", if not hold on it's great and by the way I love ya (Man to Man "LOL"), don't know anyone that knows more about DL than you.... The statement "Your Choice" meant we're all free to chose our paths in life?

well, I have a child and I totally agree with Bradk....so, what does having a child have to do with accepting people or choosing to not accept someone. It is not our place to judge others....I am having trouble seeing your point of view on this issue...

[Disneyphile]

I think not telling your kids about things and keeping them in the closet is the worst thing you can ever do. I totally agree here. Having been a child who was taught some very close-minded stuff regarding gays and bisexuals (especially women), I would like to stand up and let people know that it seriously screwed me up for a good portion of my young life. I had some severe identity issues up until a couple years ago when I was finally able to realize that I'm normal. (Just imagine fighting with yourself to repress certain "urges" just because you can hear your mother scoffing in your head, saying that you're "not behaving properly" or you're "gross" or "sick in the head". It's real fun. :rolleyes: ) I even know of someone (straight) who was so repressed in his household regarding sexual issues, that it has greatly affected his sex life to this day, even leading to a pornographic addiction, because his mother only said "This is inappropriate and does not belong in our house" when she found a Playboy magazine under his bed at 16 years of age. His parents refused to discuss sex with him at all, making it to be "taboo".

So, I don't buy into the "Do you have children?" argument. Because while I don't have children of my own, I was a child, and I know how certain things have affected me in adulthood.

And I've accompanied my friends to Gay Day at DL, even though I'm not gay. Never once did I see a kid run away screaming from seeing two guys or gals hold hands. And, that's really the most "PDA" displayed on that day.

[CoasterChickie]

I swore that I would never get into a discussion about "gay" at MP again , but there are a few things I just have to say.

The first person to say anything negative at this thread was Toursbabec3po..."Don't worry if someone is wearing a shirt . They will not bite."

The next person to say something negative was TOT fan..."People fear the gays when they are let loose in the park . Protect the children , cover their eyes. Don't come to the park that day . You might catch gay"

Even though you may have made these statements in a light hearted way, to me they come across as "looking for a fight." The judgment is on your part , not others by assuming that people are afraid of gay people or ignorant i.e. worried that they might bite, worried that they might catch gay, etc.


Also, I think the comment bradk made to TJAA about her grammar was totally rude and uncalled for in a discussion about gay mini day.

If the three of you can be more respectful of others, then maybe you will receive the same in return. ;)

And for the record, here's what I believe...


Gay people have every right to be in the park wearing their red shirts which make them recognizeable as a group as Goths, fraternity brothers , sorority sisters, smokers in the smoking section , Christians, bands, choirs, MP geeks, etc. As long as all of these people are behaving appropriately in public, people shouldn't have a problem with any of them!!