View Full Version : DLP short-changed in 50th Celebration
pokeypoke 05-07-2004, 01:24 AM Personally, I think the Disneyland 50th Anniversary should only be focused upon the original Disneyland in Ca. rather than having a "50th Celebration" in which ALL the Disney Resorts are being honored. Never the less, what's being done, is being done! Whith that said, does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on how Disneyland Paris seemed to get the "crappy end of the stick"?
I mean, what's so great about getting a new version of the Wishes Firework show from WDW? And why are they only running it nightly from july to August?!!
Disneyland Ca is getting a new attraction, a re-imagineered SM, a new parade -- WDW is getting 3 new attractions, new shows, Lucky the Dinosaur -- Tokyo Disney Resort is getting 2 new E-ticket attractions -- What happened to the Paris Resort?
Any comments?
Pokeypoke
Olivier de France 05-07-2004, 02:54 AM I think that almost everything has already been said or written about DLRP current financial crisis. So, I guess that's the one and only answer to the question : why no new E-ticket in Paris ?
raptor1982 05-07-2004, 05:04 AM >> And why are they only running it nightly from july to August?!!
Strange question, because Tink's fireworks runs only during the summer holiday too...
blondiemouse 05-07-2004, 08:58 AM Well at least it appears the place will still be open next summer :crying:
pokeypoke 05-07-2004, 09:42 AM I know the financial situation is the main factor and the French do not want to shell out any more money to add to their debt. I know nothing when it comes to the money end of running a large company, especially when it involves a partnership with another country. However, it seems that on the part of The Walt Disney Co., they could scrape up money somewhere to add a major e-ticket attraction. Remember..., it takes money to make money! They have got to at least add a major attraction to each park every 4 years or so if they expect visitors to repeat coming back.
The Walt Disney Co. could have done without one of it's recent string of movie flopps (The Alamo, Home on the Range, Lady Killers, and so on...) and invested the money in an attraction that will remain exciting guest for years to come. What a better opprotunity, they had to do this, than with the 50th Celebration. Rather than opening up a new venture with Hong Kong, it would have been wiser to spent that money on Disneyland Paris Resort. Then again, what do I know about business?
zapppop 05-07-2004, 04:33 PM I saw the announcement as a comfort. If they're planning to introduce a fireworks show
that's new to Euro Disneyland, that would indicate Disney is planning to keep the park & resort open.
Olivier de France 05-08-2004, 12:22 AM There are so many things that indicate that the whole resort runs like if there were no closure threats :
- Main Street USA refurbishment almost completed
- Discoveryland is being fully refurbished, Videopolis, Star Traders, Nautilus pond, Discoveryland Station and of course Space Mountain, as new concept will arrive next year (rumour= Space Mountain Super Nova!), for the ride 10th anniversary.
- Planning for Frontierland refurbishment from 2005.
- Current construction of the new Disney Village parking lot.
- Gaumont Imax Theater to open in coming month
- Mövenpick Dream Castle Hotel to open next month (june)
And so on... :)
blondiemouse 05-08-2004, 06:16 AM Yes Yes Yes Yes to pokeypoke -you people must start to listen. When I recently suggested Paris does not have enough going on to be a resort and needs expanding ,you all branded me a MADMOUSE. The financial situation is always banded around as an excuse, but sorry, it ain't good enough, "spend money to make money", pokeypoke is soooo right. Why should Mr and Mrs Smith and their two children from say Manchester pay £1500 to repeat visit Disney Paris(before you all argue about cost I'm allowing £1000 to get and stay there and £500 spending-generous it would probably be more) if there is nothing different to offer from last time ? Hardcore Disney fans, as we all undoubtedly are on this site, yes we would - but honestly - to keep the less fanatical more casual tourists interested, you must keep ever changing and expanding.I read recently management said attendance must increase before new attractions can be considered, once again because of the financial situation.How on earth do you increase attendance without new attractions-as our friend said "you gotta spend money to make money"-if you've no faith in your product to do that then hey - let's get the shutters ready
Olivier de France 05-09-2004, 07:33 AM Dear Blondiemouse, you're not a madmouse. I think you didn't get the fact we all, I mean ALL, agree the parks DO need new rides to attract those "casual" visitors. It is obvious.
Spend money to make money is true too. However can you explain me how you can make money when you have no money to spend, (and millions euros to pay the debt too). Do you have any solution ?
Sadly, the financial situation is not only an excuse.
Don't take it too serious, but you may be a hardcore Disney fan, but your last sentence let me think you're not a hardcore Disneyland Paris fan at all. Or else it's probably *humour*, I apologize, english is not my mother tongue and I don't understand all the subtlety of you language... :(
blondiemouse 05-09-2004, 08:37 AM Don't get me wrong I know money doesn't grow on trees or fall from the sky and the simple fact is there is no money to spend BUT it is also a simple fact that theme parks are ever changing and expanding and the place cannot simply stay as it is and expect to increase attendance.I'm also not claiming to have any answers, that needs a much smarter mouse than me.We're in a classic chicken and egg situation here and it annoys me no-one in management is doing anything about it - just continually using the same tired excuses.I can think of a host of lesser theme parks that sell themselves EVERY YEAR on what they have which is new and different(as do the other Disney sites).Michael Eisner opened Studios 2 years ago with some speech about how far Paris had grown in 10 years and how much more it would grow by 2012 here we are 2 years later without a single new attraction being planned(yes I know here we go again financial situation-but the man did say it - there is even a quote at the happiest celebration on earth page of Disney online !!!!!!!!!!).You know, I start to wonder in the case of Paris if it isn't time for Eisner and Disney to stop sitting on the fence and hoping things will sort themselves out and step in and do something.I don't really believe the Paris and Tokyo aren't owned by Disney argument to be relevant-they are both on the Disney online resort homepage as Disneys parks and Disney can't just leave Paris alone and say it's not their problem, which is why I mentioned having a bit of faith in your product by spending some money and renewing interest in the place.Put simply, the money needs to come from somewhere, someone needs to invest it. As I said, I don't have the answer I just want the park improving,growing and succeeding which is something that surely won't happen as things are :rolleyes:
pokeypoke 05-09-2004, 11:08 AM Blondiemouse - YOU GO GIRL!!! Olivwe de France - I see and understand you point of view as well. We all agree that lack of funding is the problem. However, blondiemouse, your statement about management always using lack of money as an excuse, holds a bit of truth to it. It's an excuse that doesn't have to be that way! And also, I do not believe the statement that blondiemouse said about if you have no faith in your product then hey, let's get the shutters ready, showa that she is not a Disney fan (hardcore or otherwise). That statement pertains to the majority of the masses. The majority of guests to Disney theme parks do not live, eat, drink and sleep Disney.
I personally would never get bored of Disneyland Paris, despite the lack of attractions compared to what the other resorts have. DLP is the second largest Disney resort as far as land mass but the parks offer the least number of attractions in their parks (not counting the soon to open HKD). However, if money were no object and I lived an equal distance between DLP and Disneyland Ca. (or any other Disney parks), which would you think I would visit more often? I would be at Disneyland in Ca. because there are more attractions and things to keep me even more stimulated. The average person's attention span is not what it used to be. People need new, better and exciting thing to keep their interest. I have heard several people say that they visited Disneyland Pairs and it was the prettiest park and the attractions were great however it would be a long time before they would return because there more rides and attractions at the other Disney parks. In today's age, people expect more than they use to.
As far as financial matters, Disney could do something if they wanted to. The Walt Disney Co does not soely own DLP but they do have a stake in it. They could have pulled resorces together to fund or help fund the cost of a major new (and unique) attraction. The 50th Celebration would have been the perfect opprotunity for this. Their name will not look good if the DLP resort goes belly up!
Why don't they seek chapter 13 (or can they not do this) or apply for major sponsership to fund or help fund an icon attraction. Why doesn't the Walt Disney Travel Co promote vacation packages for guest in the U. S. and Canada? I know people who would love to go but feel intimidated about pounds and euros and what it means in $.
Pokeypoke
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