Unauthorized Usage of Disneyland Pass on Ebay

[Kevy Baby]

Originally posted by hazlnut
No sympathy, huh? Go sleep in the manger, ya bums? Is that really how you feel? How about letting them keep their dignity and do what they can to get by? Okay Jean Valjean. We're not talking a loaf of bread here. As I stated previously, they say right in the description of the auction "share our good fortune". Doesn't sound like someone who is terribly hard-up to me!!!

Its one thing to bend the rules, its another to break them. And they be breaking em bad!

AND THEY USED A PICTURE OF THEIR SON TO DO IT!!!!! (Sorry for shouting, this just really ticked me off!)


Originally posted by hazelnut
Is it too much to ask for a little Christian charity during the CHRISTMAS season?

The point I was making--we often judge without knowing the full story. If people need a little leg up this time of year, I'm not going to stand in their way on something as petty as this. This ain't Christian charity, its greed

I've been bad off in the past (our home was forclosed upon and we ended up renting a former crack house in a real bad neighborhood). I NEVER considered breaking the law (which I think this is, but I'm not certain). I did sell some things that meant a lot to me, but they were alwyas mine (the pass is the property of Disneyland - says so right on it).

[disneylandia]

Is it too much to ask for a little Christian charity during the CHRISTMAS season?

According to the Bible all sins are created equal. So this "little sin" is as bad as a crook stealing millions of dollars. I think most of us would let it slide if we thought it was someone who was so down & out they needed money for food or rent, etc. Even though its still wrong, I would be sympathetic. But that certainly doesn't appear to be the case.

[RickW]

Those of you who think that this party is down on their luck, try looking at their ebay feedback. The last item they successfully purchased on ebay was a $71.00 baseball bat.

[mad4mky]

Besides...down on their luck??

How in the heck did they afford PAP's in the first place? hmmm...???

[Kevy Baby]

The auction has been shut down!

Yeah!

[SoCalDisneyLover]

Originally posted by Kevy Baby
The auction has been shut down!

Yeah!

The auction was not shut down. The seller ended it on their own, probably because some of you hassled them, or perhaps they realized it was too big a risk.

Regardless, I'm sure you all have a warm fuzzy feeling now. I don't agree with what they were doing either, but I guess I have more important things to do than leading a pitchfork rally to have an auction shutdown, which has zero impact on my life or well being. As Mike Brady once said to Cindy..."Nobody likes a tattle tale."

[hazlnut]

Originally posted by SoCalDisneyLover
The auction was not shut down. The seller ended it on their own, probably because some of you hassled them, or perhaps they realized it was too big a risk.

Regardless, I'm sure you all have a warm fuzzy feeling now. I don't agree with what they were doing either, but I guess I have more important things to do than leading a pitchfork rally to have an auction shutdown, which has zero impact on my life or well being. As Mike Brady once said to Cindy..."Nobody likes a tattle tale."

I agree, most of this thread reads like a bunch of busy bodies minding other peoples business.

After the death on BTMRR, and with the mutiple closures and overcrowding, I wouldn't mind turning my AP in for a prorated refund and see if things inprove in '05.

Good job, folks, you caught the bad guys:confused: :p

[adriennek]

Merely reporting an auction isn't going to get it shut down unless there's a valid reason. Whether the auction was taken down or shut down, I think it was an inappropriate auction and I'm glad it's gone.

Here's what I find ironic: One group of people was upset by the auction. Another group of people is upset with the first group, because they think the first group is being a bunch of busy-bodies.

Can anyone explain to me how coming here and posting such remarks is any better than what the second group is accusing the first group of doing? Is there some sort of ethics/values scale that says, "tattle-tales are worse than cheaters"? I don't see how anyone can justify that this auction was anything but cheating the system. But what skin is it off anyone else's nose if someone clicked a mouse to report a questionable auction?

Pot, meet the Kettle.

Adrienne

[hazlnut]

Originally posted by mad4mky
Besides...down on their luck??

How in the heck did they afford PAP's in the first place? hmmm...???

I imagine most of the striking supermarket workers didn't imagine themselves in their present situation a year ago.

God forbid your financial situation take an unexpected turn...:confused:

[Kevy Baby]

Originally posted by SoCalDisneyLover
The auction was not shut down. The seller ended it on their own, probably because some of you hassled them, or perhaps they realized it was too big a risk.
While we'll probably never know for sure, I doubt they did it out of a feeling of "gee whiz, maybe this isn't the right thing to do." I'd be willing to bet a Churro they "voluntarily" ended it because they got a nasty-gram from Disney (a move I would support Disney for). And if I am right, then I say the auction was shut down!


Originally posted by SoCalDisneyLover
Regardless, I'm sure you all have a warm fuzzy feeling now. I don't agree with what they were doing either, but I guess I have more important things to do than leading a pitchfork rally to have an auction shutdown, which has zero impact on my life or well being.
Actually, I do have a warm fuzzy feeling. See, I am an Annual Passholder. When people do things like this, it COULD impact my life by affecting whether I am able to get that AP and/or potential added security measures when using said AP. Besides, what they were doing was WRONG (IMHO), and well, that just ain't right. One of my life's goals is to stand up for that which I believe to be right. Forgive me for being passionate!

(BTW, I personally did not have any contact with the seller. And even if I had, it would have been civil and a sticking to the point. I only hope that no one here sent any disparaging comments either.)


Originally posted by SoCalDisneyLover
As Mike Brady once said to Cindy..."Nobody likes a tattle tale."
No one was being a tattle tale - they were just using insider information! :D

[Kevy Baby]

Originally posted by hazlnut
I agree, most of this thread reads like a bunch of busy bodies minding other peoples business. I was minding my business - see part 2 of my reply to SoCalDisneyLover above.

[hazlnut]

Originally posted by Kevy Baby
I was minding my business - see part 2 of my reply to SoCalDisneyLover above.

I did. IMHO--That's really stretching it--a person selling a unused portion of their AP somehow negatively impacting the rest of us--Come on...:confused:

[Disneyphile]

Originally posted by adriennek
Is there some sort of ethics/values scale that says, "tattle-tales are worse than cheaters"?
I think Adrienne summed it up nicely here.

As for my own opinions on this:

Just because it's the Christmas season doesn't give people licenses to cheat or steal from others just to "make it a better Christmas" for their families. That's why I consider this to be a wonderful, giving time of year, AND also one of the nastiest, because people will go to any extremes to "give their kids a Christmas". :rolleyes:

As for learning life's lessons, I'd rather study the teachings of real people, rather than a fictional family like the Brady Bunch. ;)

Regarding on telling on someone, sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't, depending on whether the situation can threaten somebody's life. But usually I like to just sit back and watch the karmic return. ;) It's much more entertaining. (And what is that also in Christian teachings about "Do unto others"? ) ;) Steal and cheat from someone, and you deserve to have the same happen.

[cstephens]

Originally posted by SoCalDisneyLover
I don't agree with what they were doing either, but I guess I have more important things to do than leading a pitchfork rally to have an auction shutdown, which has zero impact on my life or well being.

Ummm, you mean like posting on a discussion board? Sorry, this whole "I got better things to do" argument never works for me when it's posted on almost any discussion board.


So, how do you feel about someone trying to cheat someone else out of money? It's an issue that hazlnut apparently refuses to address.

[hazlnut]

Originally posted by cstephens
So, how do you feel about someone trying to cheat someone else out of money? It's an issue that hazlnut apparently refuses to address.

How are they cheating somebody out of money? Disney already got paid. The buyer knows the risk--it might work, it might not.

And why am I apparently refusing to address anything. Because I don't reply 10 seconds after you post. Sorry, I'll try to get back to you faster next time.

[Kevy Baby]

Originally posted by hazlnut
I did. IMHO--That's really stretching it--a person selling a unused portion of their AP somehow negatively impacting the rest of us--Come on...:confused: Then you wouldn't really care that petty shoplifting doesn't affect you even though it is a multi-billion dollar problem that causes you to pay 5-20% (depending on which expert you listen to) more for most everything you purchase? That to me IS a negative impact.

You've heard the term "nip it in the bud"? I'm believe we were wanting to nip this problem in the bud before it A) caused the price of my AP to rise unnecessarily, and B) reaked any more havoc on the reputation of AP holders (see the countless other threads on this topic).

Maybe we should have an AP rental clearinghouse (switching to sarcasm mode). I only (!) use my PAP about 30-40 days out of the year. I am willing to rent my pass out to six-foot-tall, brown-haired pudgy white males for say $5 per day. Heck, even if I sell only half the days, I've recouped my cost; why should anybody care?

[Cadaverous Pallor]

Man, when I have to actually post to say "Stealing is wrong", there's something mighty amiss happening here.

I've said this before in response to hazlnut and I guess I have to say it again:

Just because you don't get caught doesn't make it right.

Oh, and remind me to never let you into my home if you're "down on your luck" - it obviously gives you the right to steal.

[Kevin Yee]

Heads up everyone on this sort of thing:

I've called Disneyland's Loss Prevention before, and the long and short of this is that there is someone (multiple people, actually) whose entire job is to search eBay for stolen and inappropriate Disney items.

These CMs bid on the items and do their best to win. Once they win, they move in for the kill. Well, OK, not a kill, but more like the police.

This seller ended the auction, which means Disney still has no idea who it was. Had the auction continued, Disney might have won it, and thus brought the seller to justice. Moral of the story? Disney is on it. We do more harm than good when we publicize this.

[hazlnut]

Originally posted by Cadaverous Pallor
Man, when I have to actually post to say "Stealing is wrong", there's something mighty amiss happening here.

I've said this before in response to hazlnut and I guess I have to say it again:

Just because you don't get caught doesn't make it right.

Oh, and remind me to never let you into my home if you're "down on your luck" - it obviously gives you the right to steal.

Man, do you know how to twist what people say around. You're not a lawyer, by any chance?

I never said it was right. My first post in this thread begins with, it's wrong. I also never said this was about an getting caught or not getting caught. I mean, where did you get that--because I never said that.


I very clearly said that, to me, IMHO, as I see it, this is one of those situations where one might turn a blind eye, mainly because we don't know the whole story. Did you bother to read that before you, again, started putting words in my mouth.

And, by the way, exactly how are these people stealing anything from anybody? Can any of the do-gooders address that?

No, being down on your luck doesn't give the person the right to steal, but if an immigrant maid stole some loose change off the desk in my hotel room, would I make a federal case out of it? Call the resort police on her? Stop thief!!

CP, you are welcome in my home anytime, especially if you're down on your luck.

[hazlnut]

Originally posted by Kevy Baby
Then you wouldn't really care that petty shoplifting doesn't affect you even though it is a multi-billion dollar problem that causes you to pay 5-20% (depending on which expert you listen to) more for most everything you purchase? That to me IS a negative impact.

I am more concerned about poverty. A good portion of all shoplifting and many crimes, petty and otherwise, are symptoms of bigger problems.

[Darkbeer]

Looking for something fun and "good" to do this weekend...

Both Knott's and Six Flags Magic Mountain will allow you into their park if you donate a $10 (or more) toy for their toy drive. One toy per person, good both December 13th and 14th.

As for the AP issue, glad it got pulled.... yes, I will talk about the $20 off Coke coupons, or how to upgrade from a multi-day ParkHopper to an AP... but that is taking your own purchase, and maximizing the use of your money. Just like my FastPass stuff, which is based on "one person, one ticket"... yes you can get more than one FP at the same time, but I NEVER will post how to "cheat" the system, but I will be happy to tell you how DIsney has set up the system to allow multiple passes at the same time....:fez:

[Doodle Duck]

Re Kevin Yee's post above: "Had the auction continued, Disney might have won it, and thus brought the seller to justice. Moral of the story? Disney is on it."


Like I tried to tell you guys...that Disney Legal was on it, forget eBay.

Oh well.

[Disneyphile]

Originally posted by hazlnut
And, by the way, exactly how are these people stealing anything from anybody? Can any of the do-gooders address that?
Well, considering I try to do good things in life, I guess I'm a "do-gooder". (Thanks for the compliment! :D )

Anyway, I'll be happy to address the most obvious victim in this situation: Disney

Granted, Disney might have a LOT more money than these folks, but it is still a form of theft (stealing).

And no, we're not comparing apples to oranges here. ;) You did say "anybody", and Disney does fall into that category.

As for ever falling into hard times or financial difficulties, I have been there quite often. Never once did I think to steal from someone. When those times occured, I worked two 30-hour per week jobs on top of 18 credit hours of college courses. I slept in 3 to 4-hour shifts, but I did what I needed to keep a roof over my head and food in my kitchen (this period lasted for about 18 months). My friends and family received little cheap handmade gifts that they still cherish to this day. Those "hard times" were handed to me for a reason, and I wasn't going to let anyone else suffer for what had been dealt to me. My attitude is that anyone who gets irritated by someone who tries to do good things in life is just angry that they haven't found that strength in themselves. ;)

[tracilicious]

Originally posted by adriennek
Pot, meet the Kettle.


adrienne, you may just be my favorite padder. :D

[hazlnut]

Originally posted by Disneyphile
Anyway, I'll be happy to address the most obvious victim in this situation: Disney

W-W-Whuuuu-at?? Huh? Disney? How? They already got paid, Dis. They have nothing to gain or lose from the transaction. Heck, they'll probably make more if the buyer of the pass decides to use it as much as possible before it expires.