I was at the local Disney Store today and saw a preview trailer, which was excellent, for Peter Pan II: Return to Neverland.
I am very excited, being a Lost Boy and all, that Peter is returning. The Animation looks great, almost like the original and the voice talent is right on the mark for the Main Characters. Peter Pan sounded just like Bobby Driscol and Hook and Smee sound great also.
It will open in THEATERS only in February 2002. I can hardly wait. And since now Hasbro/Kenner is doing the Movie Toys and stuff instead of stale old Mattel, maybe we will get some decent Peter Pan merchandise this time around and hopefully and deluxe DVD of the original film to hype the new one. This excites me no end.

:D :D :D

My four year old will be ecstatic--she watches the animated Disney version, the Mary Martin version and the Cathy Rigby version. She was Wendy last Halloween and will be either Peter or a dancing poodle this year (don't ask...)

Anyone know where I can dl the trailer?

Found the trailer. It looks like a copy of Hook with a bit of a twist. Hook is a great movie but I am not convinced this is going to be an award winning film. The animation looks dark and the same style as Atlantis. I like the bright animation like Beauty and the Beast or Little Mermaid. Is this new type of animation easier to do? Is it cheaper?

I don't know what trailer you saw, or where, but the one at my Disney store was not Dark and looked nothing like Atlantis. It was all traditional hand drawn animation and the characters looked exactly like the originals. I saw no resemblance to the movie "Hook" at all. Peter is still a boy as are the Lost Boys, Wendy was not seen as far as I can remember (I missed the first few seconds so she could have been at the very beginning) but her daughter is younger that she was when she went to Neverland. I saw bright, smooth animation, with no CG stuff at all. The only dark spots where when Hook and Smee where in Skull Rock and I would assume it was meant to be dark because they are in a cave after all.
I am looking forward to it, and although it may not be a
"Blockbuster" it looks better to me than a lot of the newer stuff that Disney has been doing lately.
The original Peter Pan was very successful and his legend has only grown since then. Oh yea, Tinkerbell looks cool also, but being me, I prefer Peter Pan.:cool:

That looks awsome. I just downloaded the trailer and I'm very excited about it! I got goosebumps when they got to Neverland!!

The trailer I saw was at http://www.comingsoon.net/movies/p/peterpan2.shtml This trailer looks like it was done in full CGI except the characters. The reason it looks dark is because this trailer is during a night scene. Peter Pan doesn't appear in this trailer. I don't know if there are other trailers available at the moment. The characters do look and sound just like the originals. A very good sign indeed.

First-- I moved this thread to Entertainment-General because it didn't have anything to do with Disneyland. (Just a little explanation there...)

Second-- I saw the trailer for this on the "Recess: School's Out" DVD-- I cannot say I'm excited about it, sorry. First of all, the trailer I saw was scary. Hook comes to a little girl's roomin the middle of the night and kidnaps her. It was very dark and *I* didn't want to see the movie based on the trailer-- I can't imagine showing it to my son.

Also, I wasn't too crazy about the mix of hand-drawn animation and computer animation. The boat floating in the sky just looked weird after seeing Hook and the little girl. I can't explain it eloquently, so I'll stop trying, but it bugged me.

Adrienne K

The release date is February 15, 2001.
It's gonna be terrible; however, not as bad as the upcoming straight to VHS and DVD sequel, Cinderella 2: Dreams Come True. YUCK !

Ok, I went to that site and looked at that trailer. It looks nothing like the trailer being shown at the Disney Store. The Disney store one has very little of the CGI stuff and a lot showing Peter Pan and Tinkerbell and the Lost Boys and such. It was bright, traditional animation and looked and sounded really good. I think you are being too quick to judge a movie based on a really short teaser that is shwoing what is apparently only the very opening scenes of the movie and is nothing like the 3 to 4 minutes trailer I saw (and saw again today) at the Disney Store. I think it will be a great movie, and am looking forward to it. :D

Please, folks, with children. Stop freaking out about showing scary scenes to children. Yes, they might be scared but a) Scary is an emotion, it's exciting b) They'll get over it and used to it if you show them scene while talking to them about it, telling them the difference between fantasy and reality.

It is parents TELLING their children that a movie is scary that makes them scared in the first place. Just relax. Remeber your first time on the Haunted Mansion? You're ok, aren't you? If not, if scary truly makes you mentally inpaired, you have deeper issues. It's not the scary that did this to you.

BTW, the Pan Trailer LOOKS nice, BUT, how exciting is it that Wendy's Daughter is kidnapped? Why would PaN CARE? Why is Wendy grown up but Hook still looks the same. GOt a feeling about a weak script on this one!!

originally posted by pullmyfinger.com BTW, the Pan Trailer LOOKS nice, BUT, how exciting is it that Wendy's Daughter is kidnapped? Why would PaN CARE? Why is Wendy grown up but Hook still looks the same. GOt a feeling about a weak script on this one!!
Peter would care about Wendy's kid! What are you saying about Peter? And, um, hello, no one ages in NeverLand. Wendy grew up and had a daughter in the normal world.

I watched the trailer and have to admit it looks promising. At least it's in the theaters, even if it IS another sequel.

I do agree though that parents should remember that all fairy tales are supposed to be scary - otherwise they'd be boring. Would Snow White have been half as good with a non-scary villan?

Does anyone remember the opening to the Original Peter Pan. As the parents walk away in the dark night the camer swings up to show a shadowy figure with mishcievious glowing eyes crawling over the rooftops and getting to the window to watch the kids inside. That was pretty scary but look how things changed after that.
And you are right, nobody ages in Neverland. Not even Capt. Hook and his nefarious crew. Peter and the Lost Boys haven't aged but Wendy went back to our world and grew up (horrors) and had a daughter, just like in the original novel folks. And in that novel, Peter came back and took Wendy's daughter on a new adventure to Neverland. This time, Hook beats him too it.
I admit, now that I have seen it again, and read some of the posts here, that the opening is reminiscent of Hook (Which I thought was a great movie), but this time we get to see Hook and Smee. And the scene of the Pirate ship flying over the house - Wow. Looks real. I still think it is going to be a good movie.

Little bits of film have been making up folks minds since Edison.
Lost Boy based on what I just saw...I'm with you 100%.
I thought I'd hate it...Peter Pan is a VERY personal memory for me...I can say I'm excited about this new treatment...The heck with Hook..it was a TURKEY I easily forgot...I'm ready to Return To Neverland.
Thanks for the tip!

Originally posted by pullmyfinger.com
Please, folks, with children. Stop freaking out about showing scary scenes to children. Yes, they might be scared but a) Scary is an emotion, it's exciting b) They'll get over it and used to it if you show them scene while talking to them about it, telling them the difference between fantasy and reality.

It is parents TELLING their children that a movie is scary that makes them scared in the first place. Just relax. Remeber your first time on the Haunted Mansion? You're ok, aren't you? If not, if scary truly makes you mentally inpaired, you have deeper issues. It's not the scary that did this to you.



My kids will definately be going to see the new Peter Pan movie. That said . . . the above two paragraphs have got to be the most asinine pile of cow dung I have ever read. I think anyone with kids realizes how stupid the above statements are. Nuff said.

Originally posted by pullmyfinger.com
Please, folks, with children. Stop freaking out about showing scary scenes to children. Yes, they might be scared but a) Scary is an emotion, it's exciting b) They'll get over it and used to it if you show them scene while talking to them about it, telling them the difference between fantasy and reality.

It is parents TELLING their children that a movie is scary that makes them scared in the first place. Just relax. Remeber your first time on the Haunted Mansion? You're ok, aren't you? If not, if scary truly makes you mentally inpaired, you have deeper issues. It's not the scary that did this to you.


Oh man, I am SOOOO waiting for AdrienneK's response to this one! Boy, are you going to be sorry! ;)

Sheila

I see how and why parents and kids think that a mivie like this would be scary. a child staying up all night because a movie they saw, of course it's mean. but geez, they're KIDS. CHILDREN. of course they can get scared, they're not old enough to know it's just a movie. I'll probably go see this movie, my little sister might see it on video. she hasn't seen the previews for it though. but she's only 2, and yet i think she understands the meaning of trailers. wow.:) my .02? i guess.

I think my original quote pretty much sums up my feelings, but I would like to rebut a couple of the comments laid out here. Obviously the age of a child has a lot of impact on these issues.

Originally posted by pullmyfinger.com
>>>>Please, folks, with children. Stop freaking out about showing scary scenes to children. Yes, they might be scared but a) Scary is an emotion, it's exciting b) They'll get over it and used to it if you show them scene while talking to them about it, telling them the difference between fantasy and reality.<<<<<

Right. Any parents out there agree that if you tell your children "it isn't real" that they really understand that, and are not scared? I've told my kids that quite a few times, they are still scared. They are kids, they just don't always understand the difference.



>>>>It is parents TELLING their children that a movie is scary that makes them scared in the first place.<<<<<

That is laughable. Drop 10 random young kids in a room, put on an appropriately scary (Disney type scary) movie and don't say a word. Believe me, they will get scared at the appropriate time, and several will be heading for the exit.




>>>>>Just relax. Remeber your first time on the Haunted Mansion? You're ok, aren't you? If not, if scary truly makes you mentally inpaired, you have deeper issues. It's not the scary that did this to you.<<<<<

Question - How much long term damage does a hard slap in the face inflict? Not much, in 10 years you will not have a mark and your face will function normally. So, anyone want a slap? It's "exciting" isn't it?

No one is saying that a scary film or ride has to inflict long term mental damage to not be appropriate for your children.



>>>>BTW, the Pan Trailer LOOKS nice, BUT, how exciting is it that Wendy's Daughter is kidnapped? Why would PaN CARE? Why is Wendy grown up but Hook still looks the same. GOt a feeling about a weak script on this one!!<<<<

As has been mentioned several times, in the original play, Pan does go back for Wendy (who has grown up) and takes her daughter Jane instead. That's the whole point of Neverland. Not growing up. The movie may not be great but if you are basing it on that, your logic does not hold.

Originally posted by Sheila


Oh man, I am SOOOO waiting for AdrienneK's response to this one! Boy, are you going to be sorry! ;)

Sheila

Actually, Sheila, I hate to disappoint you. I'd planned to not reply at all, but since you brought up my name, I'll "explain myself."

This is the same individual who tried to argue that "It's Tough to be a Bug" isn't too scary for a 2-year-old -- you should just tell him it's pretend and he'll be ok. Obviously, he has no understanding of child development; some people actually believe that children are little adults. Sad. I've already wasted my time debating this issue with him. I actually enjoyed EandCDad's initial response to his comment.

In my column, I posted my opinion on this developmental issue here (http://www.mouseplanet.com/akrock/akrock23.htm) A week later, my mailbag was full, so I posted reader replies here (http://www.mouseplanet.com/akrock/mail030101.htm)

Now my official response to Richard on this one is: Whatever.

Adrienne K

[Edited by Andrew to bold the links, at Adrienne's request.]

Originally posted by adriennek


I actually enjoyed EandCDad's initial response to his comment.

Adrienne K

Thanks.

I agree with you Adrienne, I won't waste too much time trying to convince someone that children are not just little adults. Just thought that his original post had so many logic gaps that some response beyond the "dung" gut level reaction was necessary.

Gotta go, got "Nightmare on Elm Street" in the VCR ready to go for my 4 year old. ;) Don't worry, I told her it wasn't real, she understands.

It just seems obvious that Pullmyfinger.com dosn't have children.

Us rowing in the "parenting boat", know a lot different that what was posted.

This certainly falls into the "wait till you have kids of your own" arena. People without kids cannot fathom the idea of how a child's pain is amplified in the parent. As is pride and fear.

Awake to your child's screams ONCE, and you will do everything you can to prevent the next nightmare. It's called caring.

Originally posted by mad4mky
It just seems obvious that Pullmyfinger.com dosn't have children.

Us rowing in the "parenting boat", know a lot different that what was posted.
that's a classic avatar mad4, I love it.

I think adriennek's column (the one linked to in this thread) says that the guy does have young kids.


Going back on topic. I'm happy to have another quality G rated movie to take my kids to, even if it won't be for another 6 months. Although I would obviously like to see something original, I'm happy Disney is going full out and making it a theatrical release rather than dropping the quality and going direct to video.

Originally posted by EandCDad

that's a classic avatar mad4, I love it.

I think adriennek's column (the one linked to in this thread) says that the guy does have young kids.



I feel sorry for the kids...
but..everyone parents in their own ways...and with their own views.

Thanks about the avatar. I waited a while to put one up until I found one I really liked...Glad you enjoy it.

I really had no idea that a simple post about a Peter Pan sequel would get such a heated discussion over child psycology. I only wante to inform the group that a sequel was coming to one of the last of the "good" movies before Walt Disney Passed on. I love Peter Pan and all he stands for. I never wanted to grow up either, but I did. At least for all intent and purpose I did, but deep down I am still that 13 year old who went to Disneyland on Opening day. I don't need drugs to get high, just the wonder of Disney Animation and Theme Parks puts me in a natural high (good mood).:eek:

Instead of Adrienne defending the position I stated here comcerning children being frightened at movies, she instead demonstrates that she has a shallow position by personally attacking the poster, which is myself. This is, in most cases, a sign of a person who does not have any true analyitcal thinking capacities. SHe is more inclined to present HER position and say, that is that!

Sounds very ultra-conservative personality type to me.

Whether or not IT TOUGH TO BE A BUG is scary for children is EXTREMELY subjective. In most cases, yes, the child will react frightened, but, a caring parent can talk it out with the child and make him feel better about the situation.

Ms Krock, I have Majored in mass communications and Psychology and I challenge to show ONE study where "scariness, suspense, murders" etc has had any negative impact on a child or teen-agers. Sorry, you will find that any testing done in realtion to this will show NO concrete evidence either way.

Though, there are many studies that do show that children will be impacted by lack of communication from parent to child, that, if children are explained at an early age the difference between fantasy and reality, that, in nearly 93% of of the case studies, the children will come out unscathed and will have a stronger more nuturing realtionship with there parent.

I do beleive there are many parents out there who have been brought up in a restrictive, dis-communitive environment, where parents delay the devolpment of a child becasue they do not expect the child ti be able to comprehend.

Here is the bottom line: How many children have become mentally deficient and affected for life when they saw the WOODSMAN approach Snow White with a knife in hand, ready to rip her heart out of her body? How many children have lived a sheltered life beacuse Bambi's mommy got shot? Yes, the child becomes affected if he/she sees this. SO DO WE!

With a little love, compassion and tenderness, the child, ANY CHILD, will be A-OK if he sees IT TOUGH TO BE A BUG or PETER PAN. If the child freaks and climbs into a hole for life, this child has deeper inssues not brought on by the films, but perhaps by bad parenting.

Please, look elsewhere than the media. Spanking has created more sheltered, mentally affected children than any Bambi meeting. THough many of you will say spanking is fine.

I guarantee you: EVERY raper, killer, alcholic was abused by their parent.

Incidentally, have 2 children that simply LOVE all things Disney and find most scary things funny, as I laugh at it with them, EMPHASIZING how phoney it is.

You should try it too!