Disney Seas...I'm gonna hurl...

[FantasmicFan82]

Originally posted by Mr D
I wonder what the reaction would be if several hundred (or more) guests showed up at DL/DCA wearing Tokyo DisneySea T-shirts? Hmmm, see ya later folks I'm off to buy me some silk screens and a LOT of shirts;) And one more thought before I leave, somebody send an e-mail to The Travel Channel requesting some coverage of the opening of TDS.

Hey, i know how to do the whole silk screening process. i could help. :)

[DisneylandKid]

It'd be great if TONS of people showed up @ DCA wearing Tokyo Disney Resort® shirts!

[disneyhead]

Just remember Disney is real touchy about copyrighted stuff. So maybe the shirts should say something like " I'd rather be in Tokyo"

[Mr D]

So what can they do? Take your shirt away? Besides eisner DOES get 7% of the kitty from TDS, just do it, even if its done with a marking pen, its the subtle messages that erode the will and changes the direction of the current. If you are a CM ask about training or the feasability of a transfer to TDS as an Engish representative, whatever works folks.

[FantasmicFan82]

how much do the real shirts cost? naaa, too much. i'm feeling cheap.:p

[Mr D]

I would ask the other Adrienne at MouseShoppe if any sort of TDS shirts are available, I would buy a bunch right now and wear them to work!

[DisneylandKid]

DISCLAIMER: I do think there are good elements of DCA.


I think it would be cheapest (but as we've seen with certain [cough] parks, that's not always the way to go)to make your own shirts that say either:
I'd rather be in Tokyo
The mice are stronger in Tokyo

and then I was thinking about something along these lines:
Disguising cheapness with a mouse does not work
The California Quality Control Team is being Relocated to Tokyo because of an overload of work here
Never mind, those are really BAD ideas. Maybe someone could reword them.

I do logos for a hobby, so I could design the shirts.

[Mr D]

how about this; With a background of the flag of the rising sun the words " I Have a Yen for Disney" or "I'd rather drink sake than being a sucker" With a rollercoaster that has mouseears. or this, "Right now its tomorrow in Japan and I wish I was there yesterday" or how about this "Mickeys best friend is Pikachu!"

[Disney Fan Matt]

Originally posted by DisneylandKid
DisneySea was designed by Walt Disney Imagineering which is a good thing. At least we know that WDI is still capable of building quality parks and attractions. Disney just needs to watch its budget with other things (i.e. not making movies they know will stink) and use that money to improve their parks.

Does any one have any thoughts?

(Disney also still is the top of the theme park industry in my opinion. Even their worst parks [DCA & DAK] are great parks in comparison to Knott's, 6 Flags, etc. Everyone is comparing them to the cream of the crop. (Disneyland park, DisneySea, Tokyo Disneyland)

Don't really want to get into this again, but Knotts IS better than DCA!
And Animal Kingdom.. You must be joking if you think that place is better than Knotts (or six flags for that matter)
But on the topic, those pics from Tokyo DisneySea look awesome. Just the hotel looks incredible.
But the park is just filled with E-Tickets, which impresses me a lot, especially when compared to DCA.
The theming is well... awesome even if it does remind me slightly of Islands of Adventure! :)
Tokyo is the first park to DESERVE and Indy ride like Disneylands!
What an amazing park! When pictures invoke such emotion among us, hard to imagine what would happen if we actually went there. :)

[merlinjones]

It occurs to me that we the consumers are not the only ones short-changed by the contempt of Disney's domestic accountaneers and brand marketers.

How about Disney's corporate alliances and sponsors? Surely for their premium investments in DCA they were promised only top Disney quality product association. Clearly, Tokyo DisneySea demonstrates that they were not given the best for their money.

How about other entities that spent heavily on the infrastructure changes to Anaheim... The City of Anaheim, Orange County, The State of California? Surely they were all promised a state-of-the-art Disney park to drive the project - - to create the sales taxes to pay for these massive public works. Does Tokyo DisneySea show that they were given what was promised with DCA?

Or were they just sold a ticket to Pleasure Island by a Fox and a Cat?

[Lost Boy]

Ran into Tony Baxter the other day. His comment was this:

"DCA is a perfect example of a Theme Park Built by Management.

Disney Seas is a perfect example of a Theme Park built by Walt Disney and Imagineering.

The public will speak."

End of quote.

[Maleficent0]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Today's pictures of DisneySeas cement any doubts about the quality DCA in comparison. I realize that the hotel at DCA is a different style, but PUUUULEEEEASE! There's *no doubt* in my mind of what the Walt Disney Company thinks about me and my family and the rest of the American public, and that should have Walt doing triple lutz's in his grave (no pun intended Al).

To be honest, I was beginnning to think the quality of the Vegas mega-resorts, specifcially The Venetian were outdoing Disney, but DisneySeas even puts the Venetian to shame. I have no idea how, because I really though The Venetian was an amazing place, but wow...wow...wow.

Well, I guess the silver lining here is that Disney can still get the job done when the executives don't get in the way.

[DisneylandKid]

Originally posted by Disney Fan Matt


Don't really want to get into this again, but Knotts IS better than DCA!
And Animal Kingdom.. You must be joking if you think that place is better than Knotts (or six flags for that matter)
But on the topic, those pics from Tokyo DisneySea look awesome. Just the hotel looks incredible.
But the park is just filled with E-Tickets, which impresses me a lot, especially when compared to DCA.
The theming is well... awesome even if it does remind me slightly of Islands of Adventure! :)
Tokyo is the first park to DESERVE and Indy ride like Disneylands!
What an amazing park! When pictures invoke such emotion among us, hard to imagine what would happen if we actually went there. :)

NOOOOOO, IMO, DCA is waayyyyy better thank Knott's, come on! Think about it...

[merlinjones]

>> NOOOOOO, IMO, DCA is waayyyyy better thank Knott's, come on! Think about it...<<

Knott's is a far superior park. Ghost Rider and Supreme Scream are hands down better than DCA's compromised versions... the old Ghost Town is far more charming and immersive than anything at DCA... Mrs. Knott's chicken is delicious and affordable! Roasted corn! Knott's has alot more to do for all ages.

DCA has a few nice vistas (horribly laid out) and a nice hotel interior, but other than that, what's to compare?

The sad thing is that they are comparable at all. This was once unthinkable with Disney.

[Alex S.]

I, too, prefer DCA over Knott's. Only a couple rides that have even slight re-do value.

I haven't really enjoyed either of my trips to Knott's. And I still remain confused about what is so good about the chicken at Knott's. It is just fried chicken. It is good, but nothing special.

I was bored at Knott's within three hours, even during their Halloween thing they do. It isn't even a half-day park for me. Knott's really made me understand how important the general atmosphere at Disney is to me, and that is something that DCA still has a lot of - even if it isn't as immersive as Disneyland.

[Doodle Duck]

Gazillions of folks find the Chicken Dinner at Mrs. Knott's memorable. Partly because it doesn't cost FIFTY BUCKS to get a complete meal.

Knott's IS losing its charm to an extant...and making a HUGE mistake in the new pay extra ride which will cost nearly as much or more than the entire park admission for one ride on ONE ride.
Imagine paying $30 to ride Ghost Rider once...and that is the best ride on the planet (IMHO). So the new Slingshot ride is a dumb greedy 6 Flags move and a RIP OFF that belongs at the fair grounds.

Knott's was always a great 2nd fiddle to Disneyland..they weren't in real competition and were very complimentary...now...I don't know...things they are a changing on all fronts. But I still get the urge for a Ghost Rider FIX. To this old coaster rider...it is Mecca.
And the Chicken sure is good for the money.

[Corith]

Knotts has several things that DCA lacks.
Great food. Knotts is known for its outstanding food - at even reasonable prices (for a theme park)
It also doesn't have duplicate, cheap, gimmicked movie theatres passing themselves off as attractions.

You also don't get that Mall feeling. That, "gimmie your money" attitude that DCA seems to have.

[Alex S.]

Hmm...I definitely get the mall feeling at Knott's. All those third party vendors with their crappy "crafts" stuff. Bleh. (I assume they're third party vendors; if they are actually all Knott's shops, the double blech).

And I'm sorry, but the chicken dinner at Knott's didn't seem particularly better (and it is still more expensive) than the chicken dinner at Denny's.

Though, yes, I would select the Knott's chicken dinner over the Plaza Pavilion chicken dinner.

[larry_poppins]

When it comes time to renew your 2 park pass - Don't.
Simply renew your pass just to Disneyland. Then enclose a letter to Pressler and Harris
saying that you have to start saving up your money to visit Tokyo DisneySea.
To save even more money don't buy any annual pass at all.


Sincerely,

Larry Poppins

[Ralph Wiggum]

If in fact I do not renew so I can save for TDS, I will be sure and send them a letter explaining why. Thanx larry! Good idea!

[Corith]

Disney builds a new theme park in America next to the famous and orginal Disneyland, and its junk.

Disney builds a theme park in Japan and its state of the art.

Did Eisner really think we wouldn't notice?

[PirateoftheCaribbean]

The hotel even looks awesome. I am so excited for DisneySea. Japan got a volcano, and we got a ferris wheel. Geeze.:rolleyes:

[Corith]

Aside from us, the posters here at mouseplanet, has anybody heard about others (media?) making the contrast about how poorly done DCA (and dooing poorly) is, and well done Seas (and doing well) is?

[JeffG]

Originally posted by Corith
Aside from us, the posters here at mouseplanet, has anybody heard about others (media?) making the contrast about how poorly done DCA (and dooing poorly) is, and well done Seas (and doing well) is?

Tokyo Disney Sea hasn't even opened yet, so it certainly isn't reasonable to say that it is "doing well" at this point.

-Jeff

[Corith]

Back on June 26, Fool on the Hill wrote:
"Does Disney see the correlation? Does it realize that budget cuts at the park level are now causing lower attendance and revenue-smacking discounts at the gate? The older parks are also being watered down with attraction closures, staff cuts, and shorter operating hours. It's hard watching Disney retreat reactively and settle for less rather than build out the new parks into viable moneymakers. You can't draw the A-list crowd sans new E-ticket attractions. Disney lays the blame at the feet of the sluggish economy -- but if that were the case, why are regional amusement park operators like Six Flags and Cedar Fair poised for record-breaking seasons?"

Sure, Einser cann't come out and say DCA is less that Seas. He can't tell the general public that DCA was poorly designed at rock bottom prices.
What he could do is say that DCA has underperformed and market research shows that Disney under estimated the demographics of its guests - or something like that. He could even say nothing. But, what he shouldn't do, is offer free tickets as a solution. He needs to start increasing the entertainment value of the park. Sending more and more guests into DCA with out fixing the core problems (we all know what they are) only broadens the base of disinterested people.

Attendence figures are up, but with all the free tickets floating around they should. What will happen when everybody been at least once, and the free offers stop? Al Lutz is correct in that they need to fix the issues that are directly affecting attendence numbers. Forcing the public to accept DCA is not going to work, he needs to buckle down and see that Seas has a long list of reservations at its hotel(s) because people want to go there, not because of free tickets, but because it is something of quality, something people want to see, fresh and new. It is not stale, lackluster, under themed, cheap, carnival attractions, proped up & supported by thousands of square feet of retail space.