Unused remainders of passes on craigslist..?

[CMHusband]

Back to the point of the Original Post:

These stories happen EVERY DAY at the park. A guy comes up to the ticket window and wants to know why his tickets don't work?

He got them from a "friend" he met online - Paid for them at a Starbucks...Got 6 tickets - "Such a deal"

Sorry buddy, They were already used. - Just lost $300 - Maybe you can call your friend and ask him for your money back? NOT!

I see a lot of questions regarding these type of tickets and can't urge people enough DON'T DO IT!

[sparkareno]

I see tons of Disneyland and Park Hopper tickets for sale on Craigslist. I get the ones being sold by private parties as they may have a ticket or 2 left over but most of them seem to be from "agencies" in Anaheim. They have pretty good prices and some of them say that you don't pay until you are in the park. How are they doing this and does anyone have any experience with this? Also some say they come with a Fast Pass--how can they include a fastpass for a ride? I don't get it.

[3Princesses1Prince]

See THIS THREAD (http://mousepad.mouseplanet.com/showthread.php?t=151299&highlight=craigslist)

[Bytebear]

well, I know Costco has a 4 day hopper for $150 ($200 + a $50 gift card) so I could easly see someone selling the last two days for $50 each or less, and still come up ahead.

The "agents" with FastPass are likely special deals given to travel agents or tour groups or something where I suspect they get unlimited fastpass use instead of the usual wait 2 hours window.

Either way, Disneyland tickets are non-transferable, which is why they have the stipulation that you pay after you get it, because if you get caught, they won't let you in. The other issue is if you buy a 4 day hopper where all 4 days are used, you are stuck with a worthless ticket.

Generally they don't ask questions unless you are using a ticket to upgrade to an annual pass, and then they will quiz you on when you used the tickets, to verify you were the original purchaser.

[ogold72]

Whatever money one may potentially save is neglible compared to the risk of getting scammed themselves or getting in trouble. Its not worth having the stress of approaching that CM at the gate and hope they dont catch on.

If its not endorsed by Disney, its a scam on them. If one engages in the activity, they are scamming Disney as well. In effect, to some degree the guest is sneaking in.

Disney provides a great experience. They list a price for it. Pay them what they ask. If its too much, go to Legoland or Knotts.

[Angie2009]

Given the vast quantities of craigs list postings about these agency ticket deals, someone is probably buying or they'd stop posting.

If they do what they say they are doing, I'm guessing they are buying multi-day passes and selling off a day at a time, meaning they need to give you the ticket in the morning and take it back at night to give it to the next person. Alternately, it could all be a scam and they could take your money and give you a worthless ticket and disappear. Probably there is a mix of both and other situations on CL. I'm not sure you'd have any recourse if they did give you dud tickets or if you got stopped at the gate.

[adriennek]

I'm not sure you'd have any recourse if they did give you dud tickets or if you got stopped at the gate.

LOL. That's an understatement. The tickets are non-transferrable so no court or government agency is going to protect the buyer. And from the thread 3P1P linked, here's just one report (http://mousepad.mouseplanet.com/showthread.php?p=1576738#post1576738) of how the front gate CMs handle confiscating illegally transferred tickets.

Yes, there's lots of ads so people are trying to sell these tickets, and finding buyers - but with all of this attention to them, Disney is definitely aware of this problem and watching out for the scammed tickets. Not worth the risk.

Adrienne

[Donald Duck Fan68]

Ethics, legality, civil law, and breaching contracts aside, three things can happen for folks who purchase tickets from "agencies" or private parties off craigslist, and two of them are bad:

1. The tickets could be bogus and have NO days admission on them, leaving the party outside the gates and out of whatever $$ they paid for them.
2. Disney could determine at the gate that the tickets have been transferred, void them, deny admission to the park with their use, again leaving the party out of the $$ they paid for them.
3. The tickets work and the party gets in at a "discount" rate.

I would rather have the peace of mind and a clean conscience when entering Disneyland than trying to "save" money. 1 and 2 actually leave the party spending more than needed to still get into the park(s).

[bennette]

Totally not about Disney but quasi related.

In November, I took my sister to the JFK Space Center gift store (actually, she took me to TWO gift stores to look at t-shirts she could have bought at the airport but sigh, she always has to learn things the hard way). We got a shopper's pass to get into the store at the main center. They may tell you they don't have a shopper's pass if you call to inquire but they do offer one, which we found out from the nice lady at the Astronaut Museum, which has a separate, smaller, gift store.

On our way out, a woman and her family walked up to us (right in front of the ticket kiosks!) and asked if we had any tickets from that day that we wanted to sell to her group at a discounted rate.

I, of course, hadn't even slowed down to speak to her because I'm not nice but my sister was fairly surprised. "Does this ever happen at Disney?" she asked?

"No," I said. Not right at the gate, anyway! :eek:

[SoCalSkippy]

What I've done the last few times I've visited Disneyland is buy my tickets on eBay from a company that sets up shop in a local office building near the park and I pick the tickets up the morning of and drop them back off that same night when I leave.

Is this illegal? I sure hope not!

[Malcon10t]

What I've done the last few times I've visited Disneyland is buy my tickets on eBay from a company that sets up shop in a local office building near the park and I pick the tickets up the morning of and drop them back off that same night when I leave.

Is this illegal? I sure hope not!It is fraud. Disney is attempting to shut down the company. What they do is buy multi-day tickets that are "non transferable", and selling them by the day, which is transferring. Disney can and has confiscated tickets from the company. A couple months ago, they had a disclaimer on their ebay site that if Disney confiscated the tickets you would be held liable for the entire cost of the ticket.

[SoCalSkippy]

I called the company back today to ask them about this and they said that if we get turned away at the gate or if the tickets get comphiscated they will gladly replace the tickets for free!

[Toocherie]

I called the company back today to ask them about this and they said that if we get turned away at the gate or if the tickets get comphiscated they will gladly replace the tickets for free!

Just because you get what you want doesn't make it right. This is, as others have posted, a fraudulent practice and one that Disney is trying to crack down on. Notice the company didn't try to justify that they were entitled to engage in this practice--instead, they placated your concerns.

Personally, I wouldn't feel right using tickets from that source. YMMV.

[Pirate Girl]

What I've done the last few times I've visited Disneyland is buy my tickets on eBay from a company that sets up shop in a local office building near the park and I pick the tickets up the morning of and drop them back off that same night when I leave.

Is this illegal? I sure hope not!

Not sure about CA, but in FL this is most definitely against the law. It's also what drives up the cost of things like Park Hopper, and causes headaches like Ticket Tagging (Look for it at a DLR turnstile near you soon). Why shouldn't you pay the same price as everyone else in the park that day?

Like I used to say to the guests I had to sell a second set of tickets to, after voiding their fraudulent ones... if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

[Pirate Girl]

Mail fraud? At that point what fraud has been committed? Someone offered a ticket for sale, someone else bought it. The fraud occurs when person B goes through the turnstile purporting to be person A who first used the ticket.

No? Is there some other law being broken?

I am not arguing with anyone here I am truly asking. I hear this talk of it being illegal and I am curious what law is being broken -- not questioning that one is, just wondering what the law is.

Actually, in the state of FL, any multi-day ticket that has been previously used cannot be sold. It's against the law even to sell the ticket. And it's not just Disney tickets; Sea World, Universal, Cape Canaveral... you name it, the law applies. If you sell it online, and mail it to the buyer: mail fraud.

[Toocherie]

and even if it's not against the law in CA, at the very least it's breaching the contract terms. I would really hope people wouldn't purposely seek to violate ANY contract.

[Tinkermommy]

and causes headaches like Ticket Tagging (Look for it at a DLR turnstile near you soon).

I haven't heard that term before. What is ticket tagging?

[MammaSilva]

The bio scan that they use at WDW will be at DLR 'soon'

[cstephens]

I called the company back today to ask them about this and they said that if we get turned away at the gate or if the tickets get comphiscated they will gladly replace the tickets for free!

And you're willing to waste the time and deal with the hassle of all that just to try to save a few bucks? I certainly wouldn't want to jeopardize my vacation like that.

If a company I was dealing with talked about the chance that the item I purchased from them could cause me to be turned away from using it or could be taken away altogether because there's a problem with it, that's a company I wouldn't want to deal with.

[Malcon10t]

I called the company back today to ask them about this and they said that if we get turned away at the gate or if the tickets get comphiscated they will gladly replace the tickets for free!So, you have one day at Disney, you pick up the ticket at 710, arrive at the gate at 8am, enter the turnstile at 815am, spend 30 mins having the ticket denied, now you have to go back to your car, go back to their office, get another ticket, go back to the park (figure 90 mins for this) and hope this ticket slips by and doesn't get confiscated? Now it is 10-1030am. Is losing those 2.5 hours worth saving $20 bucks? You are only there for 1 day.

[MammaSilva]

Don't forget that there's a real possibility that once the ticket is denied it's also confiscated so you have nothing to return to the office with.

[Malcon10t]

Don't forget that there's a real possibility that once the ticket is denied it's also confiscated so you have nothing to return to the office with.And that you will be asked to leave with a trespass order.

[SoCalSkippy]

Guys, I've done this several times in the past without problems, it's legit. And for the record...I'm getting the 1 day park hoppers for $60/each...that's a saving of $100...it's a bargain!

[Drince88]

I called the company back today to ask them about this and they said that if we get turned away at the gate or if the tickets get comphiscated they will gladly replace the tickets for free!


Guys, I've done this several times in the past without problems, it's legit. And for the record...I'm getting the 1 day park hoppers for $60/each...that's a saving of $100...it's a bargain!

Sorry. If the company acknowledges that you can get turned away at the gate or have the tickets taken from you by Disney, then THEY are acknowledging that it's not legit. If it was legit, they would have given you a different response when you called them (i.e., said there's no reason for Disney to deny entrance or take the tickets from you).

[adriennek]

Guys, I've done this several times in the past without problems, it's legit.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. ;)

Adrienne