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bennette
10-21-2009, 11:50 PM
I've been REALLY wanting to see the Halloween fireworks and the revised Space Mountain/Ghost Galaxy this year but crowd reports were just too scary. This morning I asked my husband if he would be willing to schedule an early shift and meet me there after work. He said yes!

So after work we both drove from our respective locales. I got off the 5 at Ball and drove over to the parking garage. It took about 20 minutes total to get from the freeway, parked, and out of the garage.

The parking guy told me not to worry about parking and ignored my parking/Annual pass (nor did he give me the card to circle where I was but no problem; I know my way around.) Five minutes later, my husband was asked for his pass (?) and it didn't work. They didn't charge him, though, just suggested he get it checked at Guest Services. We met up around 7:00.

Things were a little backed up at the tram station with many costumed guests heading over to the TOT party. We walked to the park, just waiting long enough at the crosswalk to hear a guest explain repeatedly to a CM why her logic for loading trams was better than Disney's. Poor CM. :(

Crowds in the park weren't as bad as we thought. I had only noticed the fireworks were at 8:40 shortly before leaving home so wanted to get seated asap.

I managed to get a spot right behind the rope in the hub and sat there while my husband went on a fastpass run for Ghost Galaxy and a couple of corn dogs. Fastpasses were gone for the day but on the plus side, the line for the Corn Dog Castle was quite short. :)

I entertained myself with the usual game of counting how many people sat on the hub seating in front of the rope. You know--it's where the fire/safety walkway is located and where CM's with giant flashlights are constantly moving people through. (Not the whole seating area, just the space closest to the rope that fits two-three people. Today's count, in one hour: 57.

It was a rough night for me with intruders. Usually I have no problems. (I just don't look approachable when I'm in fireworks mode.) Tonight I was accosted by the following: two selfish young people who sat there in front of the rope for a half hour and then stuck just half their bodies under the ropes when the show started (that would mean their lower half in my space). Finally the CM pushed them all the way under the rope which meant they were entirely in our space; next, a super annoying mom and her teenage son who dropped directly under the rope and in front of us as the show started and who then kept standing up in the walkway to take pictures; and last but oh so not least, the tribe of seven, eleven, fifteen (?) small children and their parents behind us that grew and grew and grew in size as the show approached, even though their blankets stayed teeny tiny.

There was another mother with mondo double stroller and three kids who walked up five minutes before the show and asked if she would be taking anyone's space if she parked there. "Yes, my husband's! There is more seating on Main Street; a CM can help you." (My husband had decided a cheese filled pretzel would really top off that corn dog and took a 25 minute detour to get it; slow line.) Come ON lady! Five minutes before the show and you've got a hummer sized stroller and five bodies you want to park in a two-foot square? Even her husband just looked at her when she asked and immediately walked away with two of the kids.

Anyhoo, my husband returns just as the fireworks begin and we were filled with excitement and joy. Until...the mongrel horde behind us started screaming the most terrible high pierced sounds. I know the children get excited, especially when you have kept them up way too late and then plied them with sugar and soda to distract them for an hour while they cry and fuss but HOLY COW, what a sound! Who would have ever thought someone could make a noise that overpowered Disney fireworks? We figured they'd get the wiggles out in a couple of minutes and calm down but noooooooooo. Finally, ten minutes in, I did the unthinkable, something I have never. ever done before. Yes, dear readers, I turned around and gave the two closest mothers, well, not the stink eye but at least an "are you kidding me with this?" look. Giggles, shrugs, "what can you do" gestures is what I got in return. (Um, tell the to be quiet so that others can watch the show? And get them to cover their mouths when they cough while you are at it! It's flu season!)

I will now spend at least two more karmic cycles trapped in this painful cycle of existence to make up for being so nasty but goodness gracious. It was simply horrible and ruined the fireworks for us which I didn't think was possible. They must have seen the show before because at the end the audience is encouraged to do a screamalong (might not want to read if you haven't seen the show yet) and hubby and I both about lost it.

Feeling, well, energized after the shreak fest, we booked it over to Ghost Galaxy to get a ride (park was closing at 9:00). They were graciously still letting people in. I have not gone in without a fastpass in years and doing the full line was almost exciting, even though it's just chains and concrete. We didn't wait long, maybe fifteen minutes. We requested the fourth row for the best graphics effects. It was a nice ride; we enjoyed the special effects, but it definitely seemed quicker than usual, as some have mentioned.

We then drifted out an empty Tomorrowland. A bubble machine was running at the exit of Star Traders. Who doesn't love random bubbles? Okay, the fireworks were a letdown but bubbles can do a lot for your psyche.

We popped into the Clothing Emporium to pick up our two free kid's tickets to The Princess and the Frog movie, then took a look at some of the things in the new gallery space.

We walked back to the lot, as the crowds of people exiting the TOT were still good sized.

And that's pretty much it. We're pretty bummed out about the fireworks and might try another early weeknight next week. They were pretty good fireworks and I loved the floating Zero effect (he seems to work a lot better than Dumbo did). We were happy to give our comments about the fireworks to a CM on the way out, especially since thee is actually a box for mentioning rude guests distracting from the experience. :eek:

disney4iv
10-22-2009, 07:46 AM
I totally know what you mean about rude people around fireworks time. We had a VERY tall guy in front of us, who then placed his daughter on his shoulders. He looked back at us numerous times, so he knew we had children that could not see past him. Why not just hold your child? Why do you have to put them on your shoulders?

dlfansx4
10-22-2009, 08:03 AM
Oh, the rude people do ruin it for everyone around them :-( We had a bench by the hub when we saw it but we prepared ourselves for the number of people who would coming in to stand in front of us at the last minute (we had knew we would end up sitting on the back of the bench in order to see). About 20 minutes before the show 3 very loud ladies stood directly in front of us (my poor DD could not lean forward on the bench because one of the ladies butt was right there, LOL). My DH whispered to me that he hoped they squished in towards the center (and away from us) more before the show because they were so loud. They didn't really bother me though because they were having such a good time.

Well...they did move away from us and instead 2 very tall men took their place. So even sitting on the back of the bench I had to look around them because I could not see over them. And as it turns out, I never heard a peep out of the ladies during the show except for the usual ohhs and ahhs that we heard from everyone, LOL. Oh yeah, and we also saw two dads that put their kids on their shoulders as the show started, blocking everyone's view behind them :-(

bennette
10-22-2009, 11:29 AM
For the record, I'm used to some pretty weird behavior during fireworks and we try to go with the flow but oy! My ears are still ringing.

ktrm
10-22-2009, 05:22 PM
We had a rude man in front of us during the fireworks as well. He had a huge camcorder which he was holding above his head and blocking everyones view. I never understand people who spend more time and effort capturing an event then just experiencing the moment. After he finished with the camcorder, he looked behind him, saw that there were small children trying to watch and proceeded to put his kid on his shoulders anyway. I had my child in my arms, but I just hold them on my hip so they are never taller then me.

On a positive note, a very nice couple from San Diego made room for my other child after they saw how he was totally blocked by this guy in front of us. So I know there are very nice, considerate people out there, its just that I tend to remember the rude ones more than the nice ones. Its something I need to work on.

mechurchlady
10-22-2009, 06:02 PM
Bennette for you I leave some Cheeze-Its.

My pet peeve is people who do nt understand that they are not to touch storllers, walkers, rollators, canes, crutches, wheelchairs and scooters. Nothing like people leaning on your stroller or scooter and last time I got kids behind me kicking my chair.

I hate the ploppers who innocently have two people until start time. I got even by letting a dude and his lady friend sit next to me. They never ask why there is an open space 5 miinutes before the parade.

I used to have a small green plaid box type purse. I set it next to me while sitting at Main Steret. I look next to me and my purse is gone as in under some woman's rump. That must have hurt, lol.

I try to save space so that I can see and usually end up with kids parked in front of me. I am a nice person but please stop kicking me. I am tolerant of lots of thing also but for stepping on my stuff and kicking my chair, argh.


Bennette you can have my Cheeze-Its. I wish I had seen you last time in DCA so I could give you mine.

dzny09
10-23-2009, 05:48 PM
don't know about rude people at fireworks having never had enough time at DL to worry about other people. remember those 6'5" guys and screaming kids may have been on their only trip. sure they're inconsiderate. but if you can come back in a couple of weeks and your husband is on a 25 minute pretzel run whats the harm of giving up some of "your" space. going in 10 days for my first extended trip. so don't crowd me at fantasmic. lol.:):) seriously thank you all for all the info and tips. i promise my 6"4" frame won't block anyones view. i'll lay down if i have to.:rolleyes:

bennette
10-23-2009, 08:07 PM
Dzny09, I understand your points but respectfully disagree with most of them in this instance.

I promise you the people behind me were locals. I know the difference. I'm pretty flexible with tourists. I patiently explain to them they can't sit in front of the rope, point out possible seating areas, try to entertain children, explain what the high wind warnings mean, etc.

As I mentioned, I've never given anyone the eye before, and I am a fireworks fanatic. These children were beyond insane. And I expect to be squeezed by the crowds but there is no putting a family of five and a double stroller just behind the fire rope in a space just big enough for my husband to stand in, which is what we were saving (expecting to be asked to stand for the show).

No, I can't particularly come back in 10 days in this instance. The Halloween fireworks will be over by then and that's what we went to see. My husband's chances of getting an evening off a second week in a row are pretty slim. I consider the time we spent waiting to see the show as valuable as any other guest's time. Maybe they'll have Halloween fireworks next year and we will try again. Maybe not. Most of the year it wouldn't matter; this time it did.

For what it's worth, the hubby on the last-minute and ill considered pretzel run got a serious talking to after we left the park. That was irresponsible. There is NO leaving your space empty at fifteen minutes before showtime. It leads people to think there may be space available when there is not.

P.S. I don't have no issues with tall people, regardless of where they stand. They can't help being tall! :) (Although I think most of us would appreciate it they didn't put their kids on their shoulders.)

dzny09
10-24-2009, 06:06 AM
sorry didn't realize halloween scream was over that fast. completley understand though. people are really inconsiderate sometimes. my pet peeve from last trip( 8plus years ago) was little kids right behind me in line. i hate the nose to bottom config. lol. being tall definitely has its draw backs. guess i wont be blocking anyones view of fireworks, cause there wont be any while we are there. oh well. thanks for the great info. less than 10 days to go..."i'm too excited to sleep.."

bennette
10-24-2009, 06:22 AM
It's too early to end them, if you ask me! Especially considering how crowded they've been.

Hope you enjoy Fantasmic! The dragon never made an appearance for us this summer; you should have better luck. :)

disney4iv
10-24-2009, 08:15 AM
Dzny09,

P.S. I don't have no issues with tall people, regardless of where they stand. They can't help being tall! :) (Although I think most of us would appreciate it they didn't put their kids on their shoulders.)

My thoughts exactly. I know the guy couldn't help it if he is tall. But... he could have held his daughter on his waist, not his shoulders. Even if it was their first time seeing the fireworks, it was ours too. We are not locals.

dlfansx4
10-24-2009, 08:40 PM
don't know about rude people at fireworks having never had enough time at DL to worry about other people. remember those 6'5" guys and screaming kids may have been on their only trip. sure they're inconsiderate. but if you can come back in a couple of weeks and your husband is on a 25 minute pretzel run whats the harm of giving up some of "your" space. going in 10 days for my first extended trip. so don't crowd me at fantasmic. lol.:):) seriously thank you all for all the info and tips. i promise my 6"4" frame won't block anyones view. i'll lay down if i have to.:rolleyes:

Just to clarify....in case my comment about the two very tall men was taken wrong.... it was just a ribbing on my DH because he was complaining about the loud girls and he was hoping they would move (and as it turned out, they were not loud at all during the show). But instead we had to watch looking around the taller men (the girls were not tall) because the ladies did end up moving. LOL - it was one of those "be careful what you ask for or you will surely get it" moments. I certainly don't blame someone for being tall. Now the ones that came in at the last minute and then put their kids on their shoulders.....that's another story, LOL.

mechurchlady
10-25-2009, 05:34 AM
I put mom in the disabled section and sat at her feet. When the parade finished people started shoving through crowds. I was on my kness trying to get up when I ended up with a woman in my face and her kid standing on my hand. I cannot be on my knees for long, argh. I wish there was setting spots for the parades so I can see.

I do not mind tall people as the last people to block me was a woman who let her kid block my view at ToT event's parade. Usually the ones blocking views and pulling silly stunts are normal height people.

dzny09
10-25-2009, 06:03 PM
lets face it watching the fireworks from the hub is a painful experience! but worth it. to bad you cant priority seat the benches lol. i guess because of my size i am overly cautious in crowds. i would never put my kids on my shoulders in a crowd like that.... the bumping and jostling! the best fireworks i ever saw involved 5 adults and two kids 8 and 11. took two plus hours and some manuevering but we got a prime view. my original post was meant to be mostly funny, but it brings up a good subject. the best way to deal with the unruly, unprepared, and just downright rude people that one comes across anywhere. but at the parks it somehow just seems more out of place. it happens to all of us i just wonder how you deal with it?

jeffthechef
10-26-2009, 01:54 PM
For all of the reasons above, this is why we watched the show from the comfort of our balcony on all but one night. The crowds are a real pain, not to mention sitting on concrete waiting for an hour.

The one evening we did stay, we found a space off of the center, under a tree. We could see about 2/3 of the Jack balloon which was enough to appreciate it. For me, though, it really wasn't worth all of the hassle. The show was OK, but that balloon needed to be way higher and more centered to the castle. So, the problem lies in that to fully enjoy the show, you have to be in the center square, thus people cram in there like sardines. For myself, I was on vacation and in no desire for hassles...

bennette
10-26-2009, 02:18 PM
my original post was meant to be mostly funny, but it brings up a good subject. the best way to deal with the unruly, unprepared, and just downright rude people that one comes across anywhere. but at the parks it somehow just seems more out of place. it happens to all of us i just wonder how you deal with it?

Really, truly, we just try to roll with it. Sometimes it's funny. Sometimes we just remember it will make for a funny story later (maybe MUCH later!). I think you're right that it does seem more out of the place at the park and thus more noticeable but we can't realistically expect that nothing bad will ever happen.

We visit a lot; almost never does anything truly awful or disturbing happen.

I've never called a CM or a lead, for example, although I've occasionally been oh so, happy they were there to deal with others.

I've seen some questionable parenting. That distresses me more than anything. (We have a running contest on our trips to see who can identify "Mean Dad" first.) But ultimately that isn't up to me to correct.

mechurchlady
10-26-2009, 06:58 PM
Bennette, that is what bothers me most, the mean dads and bad parents. I hate to see a kid lagging behind parents only to get hurt or wander off. I hate seeing the kids being yelled at when the child does not understand why they should or should not do something. I hate the mean ones and the ones who put down family.

I like best is seeing the good parenting. The mom who explains about not picking up things from the ground. The dad who teaches a kid about courtesy. The parent who call their child and the child comes immediately. It makes me feel good to know there are a ton of good parents for every bad or mean one.

dsnylndnut
10-27-2009, 06:20 AM
a little nuts. I guess its the fact that they are new, but.....

My wife an I both use mobility scooters (ous, not rented) and we had kids trying to stand on the front of them to get a better view. And when I asked them not to do that, I got "The Look" from the parents. Hopefully next year (if they have the same show) the newness will have worn off and it will be a more enjoyable experience. It was a great show though, just seemed a lot shorter than the "normal" fireworks.....

DisneylandDad
10-27-2009, 10:59 AM
a little nuts. I guess its the fact that they are new, but.....

My wife an I both use mobility scooters (ous, not rented) and we had kids trying to stand on the front of them to get a better view. And when I asked them not to do that, I got "The Look" from the parents. Hopefully next year (if they have the same show) the newness will have worn off and it will be a more enjoyable experience. It was a great show though, just seemed a lot shorter than the "normal" fireworks.....

Okay, people are dumb and rude as shown by putting a child on shoulders and similar examples but... For anyone to have given you the LOOK after that goes one step beyond dumb or rude. I never cease to be amazed at peoples reactions to stuff.

AJDerrick
12-05-2009, 07:35 AM
Standing at a towering 4'11" (yeah, I know) I constantly have problems trying to watch fireworks at the hub. Eventually I determined that it's just not worth it. I do better down on Main Street further, or better yet up on the train platform when we can swing that. More often or not though we end up watching from RoA anyway after Fantasmic! ends. I hate the rush to get seats for the second show, so we'll park right up front and center of the river with a blanket, breadbowls and popcorn (for the ducks). That typically makes fireworks at the hub irrelevant for us and gives no one the opportunity to stand in front of me unless they'd like to be sitting in the river!

Children on shoulders are one of my pet peeves--I'd like to be on shoulders, but I don't get to, and some of those kids are my size!