View Full Version : Disney Studios paris logistical questions
07-05-2001, 12:54 AM
I was looking at the Walt disney Studios paris map and an amazing thought daunted me: the parade route!!!!!
According to the maps studios structure there doesnt seem to be a definite parade route (the parks main street: studios Boulevard is covere and nont adequate), the only possible "performance corridor (ala DCA) or parade route would be: out form the immagination backstage building throw the street next to animagique, pass inbetween the tram loading area and Studios boulevard, pass infront of cinemagique. next to the Disney studios, trough the street twords the production area, and exit on the left of the rock n roller coaster!
this seems to me to be the only logical, and practical, way to fit a parade in the Walt Disney Studios paris....but it could be possible that they are thinking of having only "streetmosphere performers" (ala DCA Hollywood Backlot or Disney-MGM studios street performers) without a parade untill phase 2 when more land will open!
Also: any ideas of how they will expand the studios given they have loads of unused land behind the tram route but they would need to get people acros (this is where the Tower of terro, muppets, fantasmic etc would be built according to the original 1994 plans).
thanks for the thoughts
07-11-2001, 04:43 AM
I for one don't expect to see a full parade at WDS.
For one thing there does not appear to be a storage building for the parade, or as you say a clear route.
They may have 'cars', etc but no big floats.
I think when or if they build phase 2 they will move the tram loading area and remove the 'crossing' problem.
I agree though at the moment, expansion does not look easy.
07-11-2001, 04:58 AM
... it could very easily be possible that the same parade storage warehouse for the 2 parks could be shared!
We never neeed to forget that the original plans for the studios called for a 1994 opening date..this could mean that a few infrastructures and services where already built into the DLP park thinking about a mixed use with the studios.
Remember that the studios is popping up exactly in the planned loacation (only smaller).
also DLP seems to give lots of attention to parades. Remember that the developments to the park since when Space mountain has opened in 1995 focused more on shows andf parades (mulan parade, immagination, MSEP more lights more magic, new fireworks, toon circus, wonderfull world of disney, Tarzan, Mulan show, noel de mckey etc) than attractions (practically only indy backwards since 1995).!
I therefore think that entertainment will play a crucial part of the studios park since only ten attractions will be open by opening day.
I was also thinking that they could possibly try buildiong a "circular theme park" this could possibly mean placing the fantasmic (or something like it) arena behind the tram tour, and join the animation area to the production (where the coaster is) behind it, creating a circle and solving the space/crossing problem!
I sure hope they anyways have some type of nighttime entertainmetn by opening day!
07-12-2001, 04:53 AM
You have to remember that Disney plan "only" 5 millions visitors for the opening year. It's sure they would want more but they want to cover themself especially since the rough debut of DCA. (BTW: a good part of those visitors are likely to be guest from the hotels that should be able to "park-hopper". Unlike in California, there is 5,000 room wich means up to 20,000 personns. )
Anyway the targeted audience will make an average 13,000 a day. How could they finance a night time show/ fireworks and/or a real parade ? They just have money for only 2 shops & 2 restaurants!
We should not see DLP & WDS as it's was the same situation as in WDW where each park have it's own full range of entertainment but more like DLD & DCA.
Another thing is that they have problem to meet their recrument level. We annual passholders witness the regulary decrease of the CM troughout the park in food/attraction & enternainment. For example the stage show in Fantasyland is closed and the last show involved third partners:
- Mulan has it's troup from China
- Toon Circus with a circus school
Last point is that they have not so good relation with the people from parade: every 2 to 3 years there is a strike (last one as the debut of Toon Circus)
Your thoughts/comments ?
07-12-2001, 01:18 PM
It wuld be silly to NOT have some sort of Parade Route!
07-13-2001, 04:49 AM
The comparison for the disney Studios Paris is not, according to the disney company, DCa but the opening park oif MGM in Florida in 1989.
this means that there shall be some form of nighttime entertainment and parade as there was in 1989n a the MGM studios...a roger rabbit parade of the stars and sorcery in the sky.
DSP will focus heavily on "streetmosphere entertainment", shows, (remeber only 2 rides and Alladin on opening, the rest is shows) and general acting therefore managment wants in every way to capitalizer on labour instead of capital (remeber Bouguignone, the old chief of Eurodisney saying at the plans unveiling that they found out that the french love shows)!!!!
Also withou t, even a small, nighttime entertainment the park is considered a few hour park not even a half day park since it doesn t help the real scope of Eurodisney SCA (the owner of DLP resort) by keeping the guests one more night, filling up the hotels and the Festival Disney (their downtown Disney).
The truth is that DSP looks good..CERTAINLY NOT AS GOOS AS DLP or TDS...BUT ON A PAR TO THE OPENING OF MGM in 89.
Plus remeber that Fantaillusions will be the main summer news at DLP park
08-05-2001, 09:09 PM
I am almost sure there will not be a parade in WDS. I'm going there to be part of the opening team (hell, i opened DCA... I'm READY!!) and noone has mentioned a parade... of course, I'm not cool enough to know "for sure"...
WDS, if you think about the concept, really isn't a fitting place for a parade... LOTS of shows should be the par for the park since, much like Universal, the park is about "on screen"... when was the last time you saw a parade on screen?
By the by, since I am coming to town, I'd appreciate any tips from anyone... Thanks!:cool:
08-07-2001, 01:41 AM
Like you I think that a parade in WDS is very unlikely:
- for money reason
- difficulty to hire CM
- the lay out of the WDS park makes it very difficult
(there is *ONE* road in here, imagine the nightmare:mad: )
- "theme" is a real studio; not the "Hollywood that never was" of Florida. IMHO a parade just does not match the mind they thought the park with.
If you have any question, feel free to email me or ask on this forum.
08-08-2001, 01:29 PM
looking at the studios construction from both the "preview stairscase" and the actual front gate (I didnt get in infortunately...but the gate and main building look impressive form up close) i had the very pleasent feeling that the park is shaping up pretty well.
more than MGM on opening day, DCA, TDS (argh) or any other disney park WDSP looks and feels very much like a real studio.
Imagine steppinmg in thwe Disney studios in Burbank or Universla studios in Hollywood..that the feeling and image I got brouzing from nose distance to WDSP front gate..a real working stusio next door to the beautrifull DLP.
08-09-2001, 06:01 AM
You are right mickeyfantasmic the WDS entry is very impressive. Until a short time ago, I thougt the Disney MGM studios entry was the big entry with the lion head sign (just the animation tour entry i think)
I just saw a photo of the real entry; and it's just a small entry (very disapppointing).
08-09-2001, 11:03 AM
the actual detailing of the ironwork on the front gate of the studios in on a par with the exelent detailing of the DLP entrance through the disneyland hotel.
there a mickey mouse icon on a camera right in the top center of the gate and the lighjting and gold leafing should accentuate all effects during the night.
The courtyard in front of the light, camera, hollywood (main) building looks very impressive and the two side shopsrestaurants and info center seem to be similar to the MGM entrance courtyard.
the feeling i had looking at the studios from up close (but not inide unfortuantely) was that of a real studio facility being constructerd, very much a la Universal Hollywood more then anythibng else.
I have the feeling, as does my boss (a high ranking disney executive in my country) that Eurodisney SCA is actualöly going the rigght and inteligent way on its second themepark, not by starting small and then feeling up (MGM like) but more by bringing a real studio park to Paris (therefore complementing and not competing with DLP park) and eventually filling in with more attractions and entertainment.
I have to say that if this feeling and thinking was to be correct the WDSP would not be fitting for a Twirlight zone tower of terror without the actual construction of a whole new "land", similar but grander the Sunset Boulvard in Florida.
If you look at the Rock * roller coaster it actaully is in a well seen sounstage like structure, with light themeing (different from the fklorida ciourtyard/guuitar/limo setup, therefore TOT would need a whole new "land" to fit the theme of the "hollywood that never was etc"...this will certasinly include the muppets area and Fantasmic since the whole area will need to be filled up (the map of the construction work actually shows only 2 shopa and restaurants..more willl go into opahse 2).
WEhat I, my frriends and collegues all said was "thumbs up to Jay Rassulo"...he is theeking DKLP resort fine, altough Pressler is certainly not fond of the DLP investments (we sees it as low capital return, but not a bad investment,fortunately).
Lets only hope that attendance wise the french (the park is mainly designed ion what the liked of DLP more, a coaster alla SM, shows and kiddy ride).
Thumbs up jay...keep it up :p